========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:11:00 GMT Reply-To: dko@cs.wisc.edu Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: David Olsen Subject: Re: Ancestral File to PAF Download? In article <1992Aug31.160445.752@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: |> I'm told it's possible to download data from the Ancestral File at LDS Family |> History Centers to a disk, take it home and load it into PAF. Take a blank diskette with you to the Family History Center. (Make sure it is the right size. Not all FHCs have a computer with both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4" drives.) Bring up the information you want to transfer within Ancestral File (such as a pedigree chart). Select "Create a GEDCOM File" from the "Print/Copy" menu and follow the directions. This will create a GEDCOM file on your diskette. Take the diskette home and run the GIE (Genealogical Information Exchange) program in PAF and follow the directions for importing a GEDCOM file. (These are the instructions if you are running PAF on an MS-DOS machine. If you are running it on a Macintosh, you will have to do things a little differently.) I suggest that you do not add the new information directly into your master database. Ancestral File has a significant number of obvious mistakes and duplicates. I always create a new set of data files, edit the new information, and then merge the new data with my master database. You should be copy information from the Ancestral File to any genealogy program that supports GEDCOM. -- David Olsen University of Wisconsin dko@cs.wisc.edu Department of Computer Sciences ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:55:47 CDT Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: Re: Gedcom data format Austin: Reference part of this message: > From VM1.NoDak.EDU!ROOTS-L Thu Sep 3 04:39:26 1992 > Reply-To: Austin Kinsella > Subject: Gedcom data format > > Can someone please send me, or tell me where to get, the Gedcom data > format. > The GENEALOG area on ROOTS-L has several things, and one is a nice file to tell about the GEDCOM format. The name of it is "GEDCOM1". Please request it, and you will like it. Send a msg to LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu with the following one-line of text and no .sig and you will get it, as regular mail. GET GENEALOG GEDCOM1 and good luck to you.... later..cliff -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:58:53 GMT Reply-To: Tom Lincoln Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Tom Lincoln Subject: Re: MAC genealogy software In article <9209032129.AA09442@EAGLE.MIT.EDU> Helen Raine writes: >I have a MAC computer and would like to enter my data into a genealogy >software program. Can you advise me what program is available for the > MAC? A number of us have found Reunion from Leister Productions, purchasable from Mac Connections for ca. $115. to be by far the best out there.. Just a satisfied user... It is in Hypercard.. modifiable for those who like to do that (I do) Good response from vendor. Open ended size. I'll send you more info if you need it. Tom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:45:00 GMT Reply-To: Steve Hayes Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Steve Hayes Subject: Family History Help The following is available by anonymous ftp from hallc1.cebaf.gov. It is available for file request from Fidonet 5:7101/20 at 2400 bps or from 5:7101/22 at 9600 bps FHH130 ZIP 63103 92-07-03 20:01 Family History Help v 1.30 This is a hypertext tutorial program on how to trace your family tree. It is a kind of interactive FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file, and will be useful for anyone who is just beginning, or who would like to begin tracing their family history, but does not know where to start. It could also be useful for more experienced genealogists and family historians who want to trace immigrants from another country. It deals with international family history, and has information about several different countries. -- INTERNET: Steve.Hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org via: THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. (catpe.alt.za) +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:31:13 GMT Reply-To: Brian Mavrogeorge Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Brian Mavrogeorge Subject: Re: Brother's Keeper Brothers Keeper is frequently updated and up until very recently, the author kept the same name for the zip files. He now does updates and the date of the update is in the file title. The current is BK5A9208 etc. It is available for download from Roots(SF!) 415-584-0697 to first time callers. -- Brian Mavrogeorge - via FidoNet node 1:125/555 UUCP: ...!uunet!hoptoad!kumr!fidogate!30.0!Brian.Mavrogeorge INTERNET: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:52:30 GMT Reply-To: Tom Lincoln Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Tom Lincoln Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software In article <1626.2AA96C6A@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG> Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge) writes: >You left out some important information. What platform are > >you running the software on. If it isn't MS-DOS then your >choices are limited. > Well, with the MAC your choices may be limited, but with REUNION from Leister Productions (purchasable through MAC Connections ~$115.) your capabilities are enhanced. This program is fully GEDCOM compatible, has a superb Chart making capability and introduces flexabilites which are very frustrating with PAF. It is written in HyperCard, and if you are or become familiar with this script writing language, it is yours to extend or hack. I have done a lot of this, because I find the available programs too narrow and too dogmatic. There is a MAC PAF program... but it doesn't take advantage of the object oriented MAC philosophy. At present (and probably for the immediate future) there are many more stand alone utilities for the PC that are in XXX.zip files than there are utilities for other platforms. This can also be a concern. -- I am a satisfied user of REUNION --- my only connection.. p q \|/ /|\ TOM LINCOLN lincoln@rand.org \|/ "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive, /|\ experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:59:38 PDT Reply-To: "In the event of an emergency call... 911" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: "In the event of an emergency call... 911" Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software The major players in the genealogy software market at the moment are PAF (LDS Church, about $45), Brothers Keeper (shareware, John Steed), The Family Scrapbook (shareware, Chris Long), The Family Edge (shareware/commercial versions, and RootsIII (about $250, Commsoft). Brian, (everyone) minor correction PAF is $35.00 (not shareware) (plus $2.00 if the order is placed over the phone). Brother's Keeper is $45.00. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:00 EDT Reply-To: RBETTENCOURT@UMASSD.EDU Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: A VAX cluster with VMS V5.5, PMDF V4.0-22, JNET V3.5 & UCX V1.3A From: RBETTENCOURT@UMASSD.EDU Subject: Brothers Keeper and pictures I just had to let everyone on ROOTS-L know that I took Cliff Manis' advice and connected to John Steed's BBS at 616-364-1127. Besides downloading new versions of some of the Brothers Keeper files, I also downloaded (it was very easy to do on Steed's menu driven bbs) a file called STEED16.EXE which was described as a self-extracting file of STEED16.PCX (a picture in 16 shades of gray). It took me a while to figure out what to do with it--I had to run STEED16.EXE which created the STEED16.PCX file; then, I had to attach the file to a specific person in my database using the $$ note in the message file. I just added it to the first person in my database (it didn't matter who it was). When I displayed the picture on the screen, I couldn't believe how GREAT it looked! I don't have a scanner, but I figure if I scout around, I can probably locate someone who has one and will let me use it. It would be great to attach pictures, documents, and other scanned items into people's files so they can be displayed on the screen. Fortunately, I work in a school that probably has some kind of access to such equipment, but even if it doesn't, the local community college probably does. Recommendation to anyone using Brothers Keeper 5.0b: Even if you don't have a scanner, if you do have VGA graphics, download the above file and see what it looks like. I think you'll be impressed. Ron Bettencourt Internet: rbettencourt@umassd.edu Searching: BETTENCOURT, particularly in MA and Portugal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:54:11 GMT Reply-To: Theodore John Swift Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Theodore John Swift Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software > The major players in the genealogy software market at the > moment are PAF (LDS Church, about $45), Brothers Keeper > (shareware, John Steed), The Family Scrapbook (shareware, > Chris Long), The Family Edge (shareware/commercial versions, > and RootsIII (about $250, Commsoft). > > Brian, (everyone) minor correction PAF is $35.00 (not shareware) > (plus $2.00 if the order is placed over the phone). Brother's > Keeper is $45.00. And perhaps some additions. The above programs are for the IBM PC and Compatibles. There is a version of PAF (Personal Ancestor File) for the Mac (and a good little program it is, too), same source, same $35 price; Sesame, ~$130, is available from Commsoft, Inc., Windsor, CA; Reunion, ~$115, has been well spoken of by Tom Lincoln and others; Family Roots, ~$135, Quinsept, in MA is available for several species of computers from the Commodore 64 on, etc. There are scores and scores of programs out there, enough so that _Genealogical Computing_ magazine has a directory of them once a year. -- ---------------------- Ted Swift tswift@well.sf.ca.us or, better yet, Ted_Swift@qm.sri.com "You bally well are informed, Jeeves! Do you know everything?" "I don't know, sir" ~P.G. Wodehouse ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:55:25 GMT Reply-To: "(Vic Abell)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Vic Abell)" Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software It's also worth repeating that there is an excellent quarterly publication devoted to genealogical software called "Genealogical Computing." It often carries reviews of genealogical software and occasionally publishes a complete directory of all the genealogical software that has come to its attention. It's published by: Ancestry Incorporated 350 South 400 East, Suite 110 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Subscriptions cost $25 annually and may be placed at 1-800-531-1790. I have found "Genealogical Computing" at some genealogical libraries, too -- the Indiana State Historical Library in Indianapolis has it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:47:04 GMT Reply-To: "(thomas.t.wetmore..iv)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(thomas.t.wetmore..iv)" Subject: Introduction to GEDCOM There are often questions about GEDCOM posted to this group. I have written a short note to define and describe GEDCOM. This is not an official view as you might get from a member of the LDS church, nor is it the view of someone who has a vested interest in any commercial product. It is simply the view of someone who as done a lot of work with GEDCOM data, has written parsers and code generators based on it, and who has chosen to keep all of his genealogical data formated using it. GEDCOM is a data communications standard created by the LDS church. It provides a structured method for storing and transmitting data. To understand GEDCOM you must become acquainted with it at three levels: 1. the structural level - the level that defines the underlying structure of GEDCOM files; at this level GEDCOM is very simple; 2. the lineage-linked level - the level at which meaning is attached to many GEDCOM structures in order to support genealogical data; meanings for many tags (defined below) are assigned at this level, as are format restrictions for such things as name and date values; and 3. the implementation level - the practical level that describes how existing genealogical systems support GEDCOM; most systems today can export and import GEDCOM data; however, a system can only import the data that fits into its particular database records, and can only export the data that it stores in its database. GEDCOM -- STRUCTURAL LEVEL At the structural level GEDCOM provides a simple way to structure data. The GEDCOM format provides a nice compromise between structure and flexibility, with the benefits deriving from both. A GEDCOM file is made up of records. A GEDCOM record is made up of lines. Each GEDCOM line is composed of up to four components: 1. level - (mandatory) an integer that assigns the line a structure or nesting level; 2. cross-reference index - (optional; used only on the first line in each record) a string of characters, starting and ending with an @-sign, that gives GEDCOM records their reference tags; these tags allow lines in one record to refer to other records; 3. tag - (mandatory) a short string of characters that defines the kind of information found on the rest of this line, or on the lines with larger that level values that immediately follow; tags are generally made up of three or four uppercase letter; and 4. value - (optional) characters and text that provide the value part of the line. Here are some example GEDCOM lines that make up a small record. The indentation used here is not part of GEDCOM. 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME Thomas Trask /Wetmore/ IV 1 SEX M 1 ADDR 2 Barton Street 2 CONT Newburyport, MA 01950 1 PHON 508-465-3220 1 OCCU Computer Scientist All GEDCOM records begin with a level 0 line with a cross-reference key and a tag that defines the type of record; an INDI (for individual) record is one of the conventional record types used for genealogical data. This record contains five items, all defined by the level 1 lines, providing a name, sex, address, phone number and occupation. The important point here is that level numbers increase by one to expand on or provide more information about data found on the previous line with the lower level number. For example, the 1 NAME and 1 SEX lines expand on the 0 INDI lines, just as the 2 CONT line expands on the 1 ADDR line. In principle, data can be be nested to any level. The reason why the surname is placed in forward slashes in this example is described in the next section. GEDCOM -- LINEAGE-LINKED LEVEL At the lineage-linked level of GEDCOM, a few record types are defined, many tags are specified to have special meanings, and format restrictions are placed on the values of many lines. The most important record types are the person record and the family record. As their names imply, person records provide information about separate individuals, and family records link persons together into family units. Here is a simple person GEDCOM record as it might be seen in a genealogical system (as before, indenting is used to provide clarity): 0 @I32@ INDI 1 NAME Thomas Trask /Wetmore/ Sr 1 SEX M 1 BIRT 2 DATE 13 MAR 1866 2 PLAC St. Mary's Bay, Digby County, Nova Scotia 2 SOUR Application for social security account 1 OCCU Antiques dealer 1 DEAT 2 DATE 17 FEB 1947 2 PLAC New London, New London County, Connecticut 2 CAUS Diabetes 2 SOUR New London death records 1 FAMC @F8@ 1 FAMS @F16@ This is a "bare bones" genealogical record, typical of the GEDCOM records that get exported from commerical systems. The data found in a person record can be grouped into three categories: 1. attributes - simple information about the person; all systems support the name and sex attributes, and many the occupation attribute; 2. events - an occurrence that happened on some date and in a some place and that involved the person; events generally begin with a level 1 line that defines the event, followed by such lines such as DATE and PLAC that provide the details; and 3. links - cross-reference indexes used to link this record to other records; in this example there are two, found on the FAMC and FAMS lines. Every genealogical system (I think) requires every person to have a name, so each person record will have a NAME line. In a NAME line, the surname is be set off by forward slashes, and many systems have a built-in length limit on the overall name length. Some systems allow given names or name qualifiers to follow the surname; some don't. Most systems limit the number of name components and their lengths. Most person records will contain a SEX line; without it, families cannot be built with that person as a spouse or parent. The most common event types have their own preassigned tags (e.g., BIRT for birth and DEAT for death), and others are encoded by using the reserved tag EVEN with a value that indicates the event type. The tags DATE and PLAC are reserved and used for recording the date and place of an event. Unfortunately, GEDCOM and most of systems that support it, place a number of restrictions on DATE and PLAC lines. In dates, you can get across the notions of about, before and after, but not the notions of between, possibly, probably, and many others. Some systems insist that you use capitalized three letter abbreviations for month, as I have done in the example. Most do not let you say things like "after her husband died" or "soon after birth," which are things you really would like to do quite often. Most systems allows a maximum number of events per person that is quite small, and most systems do not allow more than one event of the same type. Some systems allow you to define your own event types, but then everybody in the database will have that special event type. The link lines are the means that link GEDCOM records together. In the current GEDCOM standard for lineage-linked data, person records may contain two types of link lines, the FAMC and the FAMS lines. The value of a FAMC line is the cross-reference index of the family that the person belongs to as a child. Obviously, most systems allow only one FAMC line per person. The value of a FAMS line is the cross-reference index of a family that the person belongs to as a spouse (if there were a marriage) or parent (if there weren't). Systems worth their salt must allow for more than one FAMS lines per record. Here is an example family record: 0 @F16@ FAM 1 HUSB @I32@ 1 WIFE @I33@ 1 MARR 2 DATE 13 JUN 1891 2 PLAC New London, New London County, Connecticut 2 SOUR St. James's Church register 1 CHIL @I33@ 1 CHIL @I34@ As you can see, most lines in a typical family record are link lines. The HUSB and WIFE lines (note: it is only wishful thinking on the part of the LDS members who came up with these tag conventions that parents would always be husband and wife - the HUSB and WIFE lines are used even for common law families) refer to the person records of the male and female spouse or parent respectively. The CHIL lines refer to the person records of the children. The family record also holds the marriage event, if any, and the divorce event, if any. Note that each family record begins with a level 0 line that has the FAM tag. GEDCOM -- IMPLEMENTATION LEVEL I really can't say too much about this level. Every system is different, and you find out by doing. The systems I have used all have idiosyncracies and cause different forms of aggravation when you import or export GEDCOM data using them. I have found all commerical systems available today to be inadequate in nearly all particulars, and this includes their ability to handle GEDCOM data. I have not tabulated information about how each system deals with GEDCOM. Some of these comparisons can be found in back issues of "Genalogical Computing." The experimental system I use employs GEDCOM, not only as its import and export mechanism, but also as its underlying database storage format. This system allows records to grow as large and become as deeply nested as needed to store the available data. New tags can be invented at will, and there are essentially no format or length restrictions on lines. This system represents the current state of the art as far as GEDCOM is concerned, and demonstrates how powerful the GEDCOM format may become as more highly advanced genealogical systems become available. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 21:11:50 GMT Reply-To: "(Matt Caprile)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Matt Caprile)" Subject: Software for Macintosh(tm) computers The question often pops up asking what genealogical software exists for the Macintosh(tm) computer. A good place to start is Richard A. Pence's "summary of genealogy software". This wonderful article describes genealogical software for many different types of computers, including Atari, Commodore, PC-clones, and the Macintosh. This file is in the ROOTS-L archives, as file FAQ.0201. There is also the file FAQ.0206, which lists programs just for the Mac. You can get a copy of these files from the ROOTS-L listserver by sending e-mail (I don't know how, I use ftp. Some kind person [are you listening Cliff?] will most likely say how in a follow-up posting.) You can also ftp them from vm1.nodak.edu: ftp vm1.nodak.edu login: anonymous passwd: your-email-address cd roots-l get FAQ.0201 get FAQ.0206 bye Unfortunatly, R. Pence's list is dated May 25, 1990. (If anyone has a newer version, could you mail it to me ? I will make sure that it gets to the ROOTS-L server.) FAQ.0206 has no date IN it, but the file was modified on 3/19/91. So, after this long-winded intro.... The following products are listed various "product catalogs" or mail order brochures. I have only listed those which do not appear in either of the above two lists, except for MacGene, whose INCORRECT PHONE NUMBER is listed in FAQ.0206, and Family Heritage File - since I found out that you can order a demo for $7. Any blurb/text about the program came from the source that I heard about the program. I have never tried any of them, so I am not in any position to say which one(s) I prefer. I am not recommending any of them, just providing information about possible sources of programs that I hadn't seen on the net before. If anyone out there HAS used any of them, or any Mac genealogical program (besides PAF), I would be interested in hearing your impressions of the program(s). CORRECT PHONE NUMBER MacGene $145 (310) 545-2996 Family Heritage File $149 Demo version avail. for $7 HeartWood Release 2.0 $75 requires HyperCard(tm) 2.0 or later HeartWood Software, Inc. PO box 5190, BayView Station Bridgeport, CT 06610 (203) 374-7481 HyperGene $89 CompServCo 1921 Corporate Sq. Slidell, LA 70458 (504) 649-0484 Life History Disk $19.95 "Produces significant life histories" Starcom Microsystems Also makes "Family Heritage File" 25W 1480N Orem, UT 84057 (801) 225-1480 MacGenogram $80 "A Graphic program for producing HumanWare genograms" 2908 Nancy Creek Rd NW Atlanta, GA 30327 (404) 352-3871 My Family Record $150 "supports all the popular features provided My Family Products by other gen. programs. It was designed for 1446 Bluegrass Cir. ease of use and includes a powerful set of Salt Lake City, UT 84121 genealogical helps. Extras include alias (801) 943-6687 names, naturalization, GEDCOM support and files compatible to PAF. Lineage linked families can be linked accross separate databases on a hard disk. imposes no limit to the number of databases allowed with the capability of moving from on to another. Contains a word processing editor to aid in writing of family history and for the addition of source notes. Supports cut and paste, word wrap, moving text to and from other history files or source notes." Sesame $195 Database management system for historical Commsoft, Inc. research. specifically designed for research. PO Box 310 information can be stored word-for-word as Windsor, CA 95492 found in original sources; all sources can (707) 838-4300 be prcisely describe and tracked; information can be easily entered, displayed analyzed and moved. each piece of information can be 65000 characters long. a library of sample entries is supplied. -- --- Matthew Caprile || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I --- --- || won't admit to the opinions expressed --- --- caprile@apple.com || here, so don't expect my employer to. --- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1992 13:20:06 GMT Reply-To: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Subject: Brothers Keeper Version 5.1 Available A new version of Brothers Keeper, 5.1, has just been released. It is now available for downloading from the anonymous ftp site hallc1.cebaf.gov. The new files are located in the directory /genealogy/programs with the folloging names. bk51a1.zip 313758 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 1 bk51a2.zip 352956 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 2 bk51a3.zip 349368 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 3 bk51a4.zip 342226 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 4 bk51a5.zip 245228 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 5 Thanks to Clif Manis for uploading these files. Stephen Wood saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov -- --------------------------------------------------------- Stephen A. Wood CEBAF/SURA Internet: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov Mail Stop 12H Internet: saw@cebaf.gov 12000 Jefferson Avenue Bitnet: saw@cebaf Newport News, VA 23606 Phone: (804)249-7367 Office: CEBAF Center C121 FAX: (804)249-7363 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1992 13:17:35 GMT Reply-To: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Subject: Genealogy software avaiable via anonymous ftp A FTP site devoted exclusively to Genealogy related files and programs is available at hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19). This site is primarily for programs as genealogy text files are available at other sites. At present, most of the programs available are MS-DOS programs, but anyone is invited to submit programs for other platforms (unix, vms, macintosh, ...) to be archived here. Since there is a fine archive of genealogy text files located in the ROOTS-L directory of vm1.nodak.edu, text files will be kept to a minimum. The following files have been added since the last announcement to soc.roots about this ftp site. --- New genealogy files since Aug 10 on hallc1.cebaf.gov /genealogy/paf ahndes.lzh 54205 Sep 3 Generates 32 generation ahnentafel and desc. descen22.zip 41470 Sep 3 Descendents Chart Util from John Barron. A MUST hotnt102.zip 75776 Sep 4 PAF utility for tagging notes /genealogy/programs bk51a1.zip 313758 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 1 bk51a2.zip 352956 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 2 bk51a3.zip 349368 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 3 bk51a4.zip 342226 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 4 bk51a5.zip 245228 Sep 18 Brothers Keeper version 5.1 Disk 5 cem051.lzh 195834 Sep 4 Cemetery inscription recording program-test version fhh130.zip 63103 Sep 4 Family History Help - Genealogy research tutorial ped0a.lzh 15972 Aug 22 Pedigree program for Windows ped202-1.lzh 210926 Aug 22 Pedigree Persuit program for Windows ped202-2.lzh 191291 Aug 22 Pedigree Persuit program for Windows /genealogy/text vicprob.zip 7939 Sep 15 Victoria (AUS) Probates circa 1890's vicpsidx.zip 72780 Sep 16 Victoria(AUS) Public Service index 1884 /genealogy/utils xrs500at.zip 89556 Sep 6 XRS 5.00 for AT computers (need core and docs) xrs500xt.zip 90778 Sep 6 XRS 5.00 for XT computers (need core and docs) xrs50dox.zip 76325 Sep 7 XRS 5.00 docs xrs5core.zip 144207 Sep 7 XRS 5.00 core program xrs5inst.zip 140809 Sep 7 XRS 5.00 installation program ---- To access these files, ftp to hallc1.cebaf.gov, give anonymous as the username, and your network address as the password. All of the genealogy files are in the subdirectories /genealogy/paf, /genealogy/programs, /genealogy/text, and /genealogy/utils. Files that end in ".zip", "lzh" or ".exe" are binary and should be transferred in binary mode. Files that end in anything else are probably text files and should be transferred in ASCII mode. Binaries will usually be in ZIP format with a file extension of ".zip". A self extracting copy of PKware's shareware programs is in the file "pkz110eu.exe". Some files are also compressed with lharc having the ending ".lzh". The software to unpack those files can be found in the self extracting archive "lha213.exe". There are also several files that end with ".exe". These are generally self extracting archives The current listing of files on hallc1.cebaf.gov in the /genealogy anonymous ftp directory is in the file INDEX also in the /genealogy directory. If there is a program that you think should be posted, write me a note requesting it. The file AVAILABLE contains a list of files that are available to me from a local genealogy BBS. If you would like a file that is in the AVAILABLE list, just send me a note. Please make sure that the file is not already available on hallc1 before requesting it. This ftp site welcomes uploads. Files should be transferred to the directory /genealogy/Uploads. Please send mail to saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov after uploading something. Please include a description of what it is. This ftp site is subject to removal at any time without notice. However, I don't anticipate having to discontinue it any time in the near future. If at some point in the future I needed to terminate anonymous ftp access, I would make a serious effort to transfer the files to another anonymous ftp location. Some network users can send and receive mail, but can not use ftp. (Because they are not directly connected to internet.) These users can still retrieve files from hallc1.cebaf.gov (or any anonymous ftp site) using a ftp mail server at the address ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com. Cliff Manis has prepared some instructions on how to use this service. Send mail to the address LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU, with the following line as the entire body of the message get genealog how2dec And a file with instructions will be mailed back. If one is on a bitnet node, use the address LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 instead. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Stephen Wood, CEBAF, Newport News, VA Presently Searching: LAMB SHIFLETT HUMES LIMB TODD CONY SELF BITNET: saw@cebaf INTERNET: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov -- --------------------------------------------------------- Stephen A. Wood CEBAF/SURA Internet: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov Mail Stop 12H Internet: saw@cebaf.gov 12000 Jefferson Avenue Bitnet: saw@cebaf Newport News, VA 23606 Phone: (804)249-7367 Office: CEBAF Center C121 FAX: (804)249-7363 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 20:45:43 -0500 Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: Brother's Keeper 5.1 on Simtel20 Readers: The new Brother's Keeper 5.1 is available on SIMTEL20 Archives - NOW ! I uploaded it 2 days ago, and Keith Petersen has posted it there. For those of you who have Email capability but no access to FTP, this is an excellent opportunity to get a good MSDOS based program for your genealogical effort. This program only work with MSDOS. (see my disclaimer below). If you have never requested or received programs from Simtel20, please see end of this message for information on requesting these programs from the Archive Site via regular mail. As you can see below, the programs are in the directory on harddisk "pd1:", and they must be requested from that area. Some information about the BK program may be seen below. It does have a built-in GEDCOM utility, and many different output reports. >> From tacom-emh1.army.mil!w8sdz Mon Sep 21 04:40:05 1992 >> Subject: Brother's Keeper Family History, Sept92, Ver 5.1A now on SIMTEL20 >> Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen pd1: BK51A1.ZIP Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 1of4 BK51A2.ZIP Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 2of4 BK51A3.ZIP Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 3of4 BK51A4.ZIP Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 4of4 BK51A5.ZIP Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 5of5 These files are from 250k to 350k bytes each. BROTHER'S KEEPER is a set of programs that will help you organize your family tree information, and that will print the information in several ways. You will be able to print descendant charts that show how anyone in the file is related to everyone else. You also may print ancestor charts, family group sheets, alphabetical name lists, descendant trees, birthday lists, ahnentafel charts, box charts, and customized reports. For each person entered you may include a date of birth, a date of death, and three other dates, and you may store a place of birth, a place of death, and a place for three other events. You may record source information for every date or location....and much more ! ! Written by John Steed. You will need 512K or more of RAM memory in your computer to run the BK program (640K is recommended). It is dated 2 September 1992 on main menu. Brother's Keeper has a new feature that lets you display graphics. It will display PCX files on a computer with a VGA monitor. You may use your scanner to scan pictures, documents, maps, etc and save a graphics file as a PCX file, After you have created the PCX files, start Brother's Keeper and use the modify routine to call up the person you want to attach the files to. You attach PCX files the same way you attach word processing files. * * * Want to request a file * * * Now, for those wanting to request files via regular mail - Simtel20 has a 380k per day limit on the amount of requests from a single user so you will need to request each file on a separate 24 hour period. To request a file just send the following line as the only line of text in a message to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu /pdget mail pd1:bk51a1.zip uuencode and that is all there is to it, but you will need to change the filename of the next file you are requesting. Please note that you will be sending the request to LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu and not the Simtel20 computer.....and please do not send it to the Roots-L address. If you send the line above - as is, you will receive the first file of the series. and all files will be needed to make it a useable program. You will receive it, as a uuencoded file, in a regular message, and you will need to uudecode the message after all the files have been received. If you have never done this before, ask one of your friends to assist you or teach you or request and read the GENEALOG file "STARTER". Good luck to all of you.... Cliff -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com ! ! Generally, It is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission ! ! Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 21:26:15 GMT Reply-To: "(Peter Garlick)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Peter Garlick)" Subject: Brother's Keeper vs Personal Roots Hi, I recently purchased the 'Personal Roots' PC software produced by Expert Systems. For those not familiar with the application, the gloss provides the following overview: Program Features: * Instantly locate family members by last name * Check for duplicate entries * Easy editing to make changes effortlessly * Print or display reports on screen Report Features: * Pedigree chart can show four generations of ancestors for any family member * Family Group report will list any member's children * Prepare an unlimited list of descendants for any family member * Longevity report displays deceased relatives and their age at death * Other reports for birthdays, wedding anniversaries and death anniversaries. I have been using the Personal Roots software with some satisfaction although it has some minor limitations. I have entered over 600 individuals and have linked the majority of them. With all the talk about the Brother's Keeper software, I located a local ftp site and downloaded BK5.0 and installed it without complication. Obviously, familiarity with Personal Roots will colour my opinion when comparing the two packages. Have any other rooters compared to two products? Further, I would be interested in measuring the effectiveness of BK5.0 (or BK5.1) fully loaded with my data in the Personal Roots program. Therefore, I am searching for a conversion tool to convert my PR data to BK format. Any ideas? Using Object Vision software, and using dBASE linkages therein, I am able to access my fields and files with some clarity. Thanks in advance for any responses Regards Peter J Garlick Researching: GARLICK, LYELL, RAINFORD (amongst a million others) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 22:44:19 GMT Reply-To: "(Jon Brinkmann)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Jon Brinkmann)" Subject: Re: Unix software? In article <96494@bu.edu>, soren@crsa.bu.edu (Soren Ryherd) writes: > Is there any family history software for unix operating systems? Until I > finally break down and buy a mac I would like to find some system that > will work on my unix machine here at school. Any ideas? There is "geneal", posted to comp.sources.unix on 9 Mar 1989 (vol18i011, 012, 013). It uses the "spin" programming package (vol18i009, 010) and interfaces to the "treepar" package for graphics output (vol18i015, 016, 017). All should be available from any comp.sources.unix archive site (I use ftp.uu.net). Jon --- Jon Brinkmann Astronomy Department Internet: jvb7u@Virginia.EDU University of Virginia UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!jvb7u P.O. Box 3818 SPAN/HEPnet: 6654::jvb7u Charlottesville, VA 22903-0818 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 00:04:32 GMT Reply-To: "(thomas.t.wetmore..iv)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(thomas.t.wetmore..iv)" Subject: LifeLines: Announcing a UNIX Genealogical System Recent queries about UNIX genealogical systems have motivated me to get off my backside and prepare the following announcement. I am making my UNIX genealogical system, LifeLines, available. LifeLines is an experimental, second-generation system that will probably not be commercialized. This is not an advertisement. I have no vested interest in your interest or disinterest. I am not asking for, nor do I want, any of your money. Please hit 'n' now if this type of post offends you. Features of LifeLines include: o unlimited (for all practical purposes) database size o unlimited (for all practical purposes) database record sizes o any number of events of any type per person or family o any number of attributes of any type per person or family o any number of general notes or file references per person or family o no restrictions on the type or quantity of data stored about persons or families o no restrictions on family sizes or numbers of spouses o no restrictions on date or place formats or lengths o no restrictions on number of names per person, components per name, or lengths of name components o database records kept in GEDCOM format o GEDCOM import, export and extraction o name access to persons (more important than you may think) o full complement of browse, add, delete, modify, link operations o four common sense browsing modes o all important operations available from browsing modes o most powerful genealogical report generator in existence o quick reference guide available Things you should know and/or agree to before asking me for a copy: o only available for 386, sun3 and sun4 (sparc) UNIX (includes XENIX) o uses curses/ETI terminal independent user interface o power user system -- editing done via screen editors (eg, vi, emacs) o power user system -- you must structure your data in GEDCOM format o power user system -- you must learn to program your reports o use at your own risk system -- LifeLines has not crashed a database in many months, but there are no guarentees o LifeLines is owned and copyrighted by me, and I retain its rights o my support of LifeLines is strictly informal -- this is my avocation, not my vocation o a number of substantial features are primitive or missing My reasons for making LifeLines available are: o the more and the larger the genealogical databases, the more chances there are that someone is researching my ancestors o promote the development of second generation features in the genealogical software industry (their dearth in current systems forced me to write LifeLines in the first place) o influence the GEDCOM standards development in directions other than its current course o it's a good system; I'll feel good knowing others are using it Please do not ask me for a copy of LifeLines unless: o you are an experienced UNIX user and computer literate o you are willing to learn o you have a strong and goodly heart Email to me at ttw@petrel.att.com if you are interested, or want to ask questions. Thomas T. Wetmore IV, AT&T Bell Laboratories, (508)960-6015 (work) ttw@petrel.att.com (508)465-3220 (home) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 21:16:49 -0500 Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: Re: LifeLines: Announcing a UNIX Genealogical System Readers: Reference part of this message: > Subject: LifeLines: Announcing a UNIX Genealogical System > > Recent queries about UNIX genealogical systems have motivated me to get > off my backside and prepare the following announcement. > > I am making my UNIX genealogical system, LifeLines, available. I am very glad that Tom has made his LifeLines program available to the users wanting the POWER of a very good Genealogical Database. I have been using it for almost 2 years as my main database for entering and editing data. It has been great, and I'm really glad I was able to use it from the beginning, and see it evolve into a great tool for keeping the family information. I have been using it on a 386 based machine during this time, and have lots of data - as I have stated before, on several different databases. I could put them all into one large 30,000 + person database but have chosen not to do that for now. LifeLines, is a good system.... and it will: > o promote the development of second generation features in the > genealogical software ...... > o it's a good system.......... I just wanted to say publicly that I sure do like to use LifeLines and use it 1 or 2 hours every night. Good luck to all... cliff -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com ! ! Generally, It is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission ! ! Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 22:19:11 -0500 Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: Re: Brother's Keeper 5.1 on Simtel20 (fwd) Readers: Reference part of this message: Some of you had asked about the language files in the new BK 5.1 and here is John's answer to me about the question. > From compuserve.com!75745.1371 Thu Sep 24 22:09:51 1992 > Date: 24 Sep 92 22:37:43 EDT > From: John Steed <75745.1371@CompuServe.COM> > Subject: Re: Brother's Keeper 5.1 on Simtel20 > Regarding the Norwegian version. I have the 5.0 Norwegian version, but > I am waiting a couple weeks for the 5.1 version to come back from the > translators. I will put the foreign language versions of the language > files on my BBS as they come in. -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com ! ! Generally, It is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission ! ! Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 08:13:49 GMT Reply-To: "(Theodore John Swift)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Theodore John Swift)" Subject: Re: TT program for the Mac? Yes, a small one Several people have asked about Tiny Tafel generators for the Macintosh: > I use PAF to contain my family history research using a > Macintosh. Now with the sudden interest in Tiny Taffles on > this newsgroup I find myself wanting to post one myself. I > could craft one by hand but it would be nice if there were a > Macintosh program that read the PAF files or GEDCOM files and > produced a usable TT. Has anyone seen such an animal? Brian Bechtel of Apple wrote a program called "Tiny Tafel" a few years ago; it's a fairly small program (22K) that accepts your typed input and generates a machine-readable tiny tafel. Unfortunately, it doesn't accept files as input- you have to type them in yourself. This has the effect of keeping your request short and to the point :-). I could send a BinHexed version of it to some central location, but I'm not sure how to submit files to the server. I would be willing to send the files to someone who could, though, so no one person is inundated with requests. Please reply to ted_swift@qm.sri.com and I'll see what I can do. -- ---------------------- Ted Swift tswift@well.sf.ca.us or, better yet, Ted_Swift@qm.sri.com "You bally well are informed, Jeeves! Do you know everything?" "I don't know, sir" ~P.G. Wodehouse ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:37:05 GMT Reply-To: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(Stephen A. Wood)" Subject: GEDCOM utilities for LDS IGI For the person who was looking for utilities to work with GEDCOM files from LDS family history centers, there is a program that might be of interest if the GEDCOM files came from the IGI (internation genealogical index) database. The program is called igi25535. It is a program that will import a GEDCOM file from the IGI and spit it out in some more readable form. I don't think it will help for extracts from the Ancetral File. The IGI program is available via anonymous ftp from hallc1.cebaf.gov with the pathname /genealogy/paf/igi25535.zip (igi25535 is not really a paf utility. You don't need PAF to use it. I guess I put it in the paf directory since PAF is an LDS product and the IGI is an LDS database.) Steve Wood -- --------------------------------------------------------- Stephen A. Wood CEBAF/SURA Internet: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov Mail Stop 12H Internet: saw@cebaf.gov 12000 Jefferson Avenue Bitnet: saw@cebaf Newport News, VA 23606 Phone: (804)249-7367 Office: CEBAF Center C121 FAX: (804)249-7363 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:59:22 -0500 Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: New Genealogy programs on Simtel20 Readers: The following was just part of the uploads list posted tonite by Keith, and I am reposting it here for all to see. Please note the other Archive Sites, and their IP numbers. Good luck to all, Cliff Manis >> Subject: Recent msdos uploads to SIMTEL20 (11-Sep - 26-Sep 1992) The following files have been recently uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (between 11-Sep-92 and 26-Sep-92): NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII Filename Type Length Date Description Directory PD1: BK51A1.ZIP B 313758 920920 Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 1of4 BK51A2.ZIP B 352956 920920 Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 2of4 BK51A3.ZIP B 349368 920920 Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 3of4 BK51A4.ZIP B 342226 920920 Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 4of4 BK51A5.ZIP B 245228 920920 Brother's Keeper (v5.1A) Family History, 5of5 FHH130.ZIP B 61840 920921 Family history research tutorial SIMTEL20 allows only nine ANONYMOUS FTP logins during weekday prime time, 5am to 3pm Mountain Time (GMT-7), but 27 otherwise. SIMTEL20 files are also available by anonymous ftp from mirror sites OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117), wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4), ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9), nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.3.7), nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40), archie.au (139.130.4.6), nctuccca.edu.tw (140.111.3.21), by e-mail through the BITNET/EARN file servers, or by uucp from UUNET's 1-900-GOT-SRCS. See UUNET file uunet!~/info/archive-help for details. OAK.Oakland.Edu is the most up-to-date mirror because I maintain it, in addition to my duties at SIMTEL20. I run OAK's mirror program whenever new files are added at SIMTEL20. If you cannot access them via FTP or e-mail, most SIMTEL20 MSDOS files, including the PC-Blue collection, are also available for downloading from Detroit Download Central (313) 885-3956. DDC has multiple lines which support 300/1200/2400/9600/14400 bps (103/212/V22bis/HST/V32bis/V42bis/MNP). This is a subscription system with an average hourly cost of 17 cents. It is also accessable on Telenet via PC Pursuit and on Tymnet via StarLink outdial. New files uploaded to SIMTEL20 are usually available on DDC within 24 hours. Public, private or corporate institutions and libraries interested in the SIMTEL20 MS-DOS collection in CD-ROM format bundled with library card-catalog type access and duplication software can contact Coyote Data, Ltd. by mail at 1142 N. Main, Rochester, MI 48307 or by FAX at (313) 651-4071. Others who do not need the access and duplication software should send e-mail to: rab@cdrom.com (Robert Bruce), telephone (800) 786-9907 or (510) 947-5996, or FAX (510) 947-1644 for details on his CD-ROM offer. Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20] Co-SysOp, Detroit Download Central 313-885-3956 (V22bis/HST/V32bis/V42bis/MNP) Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com ! ! Generally, It is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission ! ! Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:39:02 GMT Reply-To: "(syed s haider)" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "(syed s haider)" Subject: family tree software - response summary In article <1992Sep14.164013.13323@allegra.att.com>, I wrote: > I'm looking for software that would allow me to enter > (completely) and then display (in pieces) family tree > information. Many people responded. Thanks to all of you! I haven't sorted through all of this information yet, but it is summarized below for those of you who sent me email requesting it. Syed S. Haider ssh@allegra.att.com ==================================================================== I use Personal ANcestral Management which is put out by the Mormon chuch. It cost about $30 and works well. I don't have an address here at work but I am sure you could call the geneological library of the local mormon chuch and get it. ==================================================================== I'd suggest Brother's Keeper v5.0. It's available for ftp, but I forget where. There is a newsgroup - soc.roots ==================================================================== You do not mention your system. If it's a PC, try comp.binaries.ibm.pc.* groups. For what it's worth, I use Brother's Keeper, a shareware package. There are lots of others that are pretty decent. ==================================================================== I use Personal Ancestral File from the Mormon Church. ==================================================================== My sister told me that all the best family tree programs come from Salt Lake city, Utah. The Mormons have a ritual where they "save" all their ancestors by some special ceremony -- so they do more searching for ancestors than anybody. I don't know how you find out what's out there -- but I'd bet the Mormon church would tell you what they know, if you called them. ==================================================================== I have Reunion, which is a Hypercard program. I like it. You can input pictures, do trees and much more. ==================================================================== The Mormon church (L.D.S.) is very much into geneology. They sell software for both Mac and PC that is very nice and costs hardly anything at all. There are a few fields in the records that are church specific (I'm not a member, so I don't know what they are for), but it's a pretty good package. I can look up the 800 number for you if you want (the software is at home) ==================================================================== There are shareware and commercial programs available. They have been described numerous times in Soc.Roots. The top of the line commercial product is called Roots III. (earlier versions were Roots and Roots II). I am using Family Roots. Both of these programs give you convenient formats for entering and storing data, and both support many different output forms, from simple pedigree charts to family history books. I don't have their addresses here at work. If you need them, I can bring them in some day and send them to you. ==================================================================== If you find a real UNIX based system that is released (there is at least one in development) I would be interested in hearing. I currently run Brother's Keeper under VP/ix (DOS emulation) which, while it works, doesn't let me cut-and-paste, etc. from other X windows. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:56:15 -0500 Reply-To: Cliff Manis Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: fhh.doc file This is the fhh.doc file from the fhh130.zip file, which is on SIMTEL20 now. Please take a look, if you want the FHH130.ZIP, then get it. FAMILY HISTORY HELP by Steve Hayes This program is to help people who want to research their family his- tory, but don't know where to begin. I hope that it will be useful to people who have sometimes thought that they would like to know more about their ancestors, but have not known how to go about finding out. So it is intended to be a kind of tutorial help system on how to go about finding your ancestors. Obviously one cannot include everything in such a program, and so there are references to books and other sources of information. As time goes by, some of the information here will change. Some of the records one needs are moved to new places. Archives that have formerly been closed may be opened. Some records that were available may be destroyed. So some pages indicate that more information will be added in later versions. I will try to keep the program up to date. This program is what is known as "freeware". You don't have to pay to use it, and you may copy it and give it away as much as you like. If you do use it and like it, I hope you will use the "Registration" option on the main menu. That doesn't mean you have to pay. You just need to send the registration form (or a postcard, if you prefer) to let me know if you use the program and find it useful. If you would like me to send you a later version when it becomes available - THEN you can send money! The amounts will appear on the registration form, and that will be to cover the cost of a disk and postage. If you call computer bulletin boards frequently, you might prefer to wait until it reaches a BBS near you. But if you don't have access to bulletin boards, you can ask and I will post you a copy WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE. When you print the registration form, it will show the version number that you have. If no changes have been made since that version, it will be a waste of time and money for me to send you a new disk right away. I'll keep your form, and when I make changes I'll send you a disk then. It might be a month or two, or it might be several months or a year. Please let me know what you think of the program. Is the user interface OK? Or is it confusing? Is the information it gives helpful, or don't you understand it? Is there anything you would like to know that is NOT in the program? Of course, as you will see, I am hoping to add a lot more information, but I might not have thought of the particular thing YOU would like to know. Oh yes - how to use it. Put the program (FHH.EXE) and the data files (FHH.DAT & INFO.DAT) on a floppy disk, or in the same directory of a hard disk, and type FHH. From there it should be easy. If it isn't, please tell me. Please send comments and criticisms to: Steve Hayes, PO Box 7648, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Or by Netmail to me at Fidonet 5:7101/22.5 Or, in Internet, to steve.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Or you can phone the Unisa Editorial Department BBS and download the latest version: +27-12-429-2882 1992-07-03 -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com ! ! Generally, It is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission ! ! Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.)