This file, ROOTSOFT.92A4, contains part 4 of 4 parts of a digest of genealogical software articles that have appeared in the ROOTS-L news list from January 1, 1992 through June 30, 1992. ROOTS-L contains articles copied from the soc.roots news group. ROOTS-L articles are archived on the North Dakota Higher Education Network (HECN) host, Internet: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu BITNET: LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 UUCP: ...!uunet!plains!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv and may be obtained via LISTSERV or anonymous ftp from the ROOTS-L.LOG* files of the ROOTS-L directory. Vic Abell, abe@cc.purdue.edu, July 27, 1992 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1992 15:13:14 GMT Reply-To: "Stephen A. Wood" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "Stephen A. Wood" Subject: New genealogy files available via anonymous ftp A FTP site devoted exclusively to Genealogy related files and programs is available at hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19). This site is primarily for programs as genealogy text files are available at other sites. At present, most of the programs available are MS-DOS programs, but anyone is invited to submit programs for other platforms (unix, vms, macintosh, ...) to be archived here. Since there is a fine archive of genealogy text files located in the ROOTS-L directory of vm1.nodak.edu, text files will be kept to a minimum. The following files have been added since the last announcement to soc.roots about this ftp site. 204439 May 8 cdiary11.zip Cumberland Diary ver 1.1. Diary keeping. Ira L 9508 May 9 datecalc.lzh Calculate date info from tombstone 203392 May 9 igi25535.zip International Genealogy Index reader update 103267 May 9 platchek.lzh Property line map generator 13934 May 10 b2t1-2.lzh Namedrop version 1.3 by Ray Cox 76118 May 10 dmhstcal.lzh (Demo) calendar program from England 45783 May 10 named130.zip Use Namwview w/ Bluewave mail reader, update. 1792 May 11 natzcert.ses Sesame template - naturalization certificate 2451 May 15 can-arch.txt Canadian Archives addresses 3521 May 15 can-book.txt Canadian research books 910 May 15 can-gens.txt Canadian genealogical societies 4493 May 15 can-vitl.txt Canadian vital statistics addresses 634 May 15 ukcensus.txt Info on UK census 2508 May 15 usmilita.lzh US military records 3276 May 14 ont-gnsc.zip List of Ontario Genealogical Societies 2664 May 15 ontvtl91.txt Update on access to Ontario vital recs. 1250 May 17 famsearc.zip LDS FamilySearch System 6719 May 17 fhc1-6.zip Family History Center Lessons 1-6 4458 May 17 natural.zip Naturalization information 39040 May 17 tinytafl.pit MAC tiny tafel generator 10614 May 27 rcal.zip Calculates certain Christian religious hollidays 2932 Jun 2 newsa-f.zip Newsletters A-F Publishers/Authors 2890 Jun 2 newsg-o.zip Newsletters G-O Publishers/Authors 3196 Jun 2 newsp-z.zip Newsletters P-Z Publishers/Authors 2680 Jun 2 scanda.zip Scandinavian research To access these files, ftp to hallc1.cebaf.gov, give anonymous as the username, and your network address as the password. All of the genealogy files are in the subdirectory /genealogy. Files that end in ".zip", "lzh" or ".exe" are binary and should be transferred in binary mode. Files that end in anything else are probably text files and should be transferred in ASCII mode. Binaries will usually be in ZIP format with a file extension of ".zip". A self extracting copy of PKware's shareware programs is in the file "pkz110eu.exe". Some files are also compressed with lharc having the ending ".lzh". The software to unpack those files can be found in the self extracting archive "lha213.exe". There are also several files that end with ".exe". These are generally self extracting archives The current listing of files on hallc1.cebaf.gov in the /genealogy anonymous ftp directory is in the file INDEX also in the /genealogy directory. If there is a program that you think should be posted, write me a note requesting it. The file AVAILABLE contains a list of files that are available to me from a local genealogy BBS. If you would like a file that is in the AVAILABLE list, just send me a note. Please make sure that the file is not already available in the /genealogy directory before requesting it. This ftp site welcomes uploads. Files should be transferred to the directory /genealogy/Uploads. Please send mail to saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov after uploading something. Please include a description of what it is. This ftp site is subject to removal at any time without notice. However, I don't anticipate having to discontinue it any time in the near future. If at some point in the future I needed to terminate anonymous ftp access, I would make a serious effort to transfer the files to another anonymous ftp location. Stephen Wood, CEBAF, Newport News, VA Presently Searching: LAMB SHIFLETT HUMES LIMB TODD CONY SELF BITNET: saw@cebaf INTERNET: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1992 16:31:58 CDT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Cliff Manis Subject: Re: GEDCOM Spec's Reference part of this message: > From: "Mats-Olof Sander" > Subject: GEDCOM Spec's > I need information on how to get specifications on the GEDCOM format > for exchange of genealogical data. Can it be ftp'd from somewhere or > better, is it in some mailserver? request the GENEALOG file: GEDCOM1 send a message to LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu with the following one-line of text and no .sig. get genealog gedcom1 It has all the info about it. later..cliff -- Cliff Manis K4ZTF Manis/Manes Family History Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN USMAIL: P. O. Box 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937 BITNET: cmanis%csoftec.csf.com@NDSUVM1 Caretaker of GENEALOG INTERNET: cmanis@csoftec.csf.com >>> There's only one of me, I've ever meet <<<< Standard Disclaimer: We are not associated with anyone. (PERIOD). (.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 14:56:35 EDT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Kenneth Roberts Subject: More on Indexing Software The following is from the software catalog of Public Brand Software: WP41.0 PC-Index Greatly speeds up the process of producing a book index. This is not the same as you will find in most word processors or desktop publishers. They work by marking the specific words to be indexed. This will index each word of the document or you can control which words are to be included in the index (on every occurrence) or to be excluded. Since I have never used this software, I don't necessarily recommend it. However, at 5$ (plus 5$ S&H) it may be worth a try. The PBS order line number is 1-800-426-3475. Ken Roberts Petersburg,Ky USA usr1649a@tso.uc.edu VA/MD/RI/NY ??????????-Southern Ohio <========TO=======> Southern Indiana-??????? ? ============= ? ================ ? ? Allen Erwin Shoemaker ? Green(e) Rudicil ? ? Crabtree Paine Stockham ? Matthews Van Treece ? ? Dever Rockwell Woodring ? Miller Waggoner ? ? Dixon ? Roberts ? ? ? ? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1992 17:41:33 GMT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Brian.Randell@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Subject: Re: Mac PAF facilities (was: Facts, Theories, and Guessing Games) Re: Tom Lincoln's message about PAF on the Macintosh: Wow! Let me try to respond to at least some of your list, Tom :-) However first a general response, in fact addressed to your concluding comment that: |The defined mind set is documentation. My mindset is on line work. |The whole program is overconstrained for dealing with the ambiguous |real world. One needs to be able to sketch first, and then "compile" |afterwards. As I see it PAF is best used for the data and links that you are reasonably sure about - one needs a different sort of database for the mass of information that you assemble about possibilities, conjectures, etc. Thus, from what I have read about it, Sesame sounds a very interesting complement to PAF (whether on a Mac or a PC) in this regard. However I am still trying to get feedback on how well it actually performs, what its performance is like on large databases, and how well it uses the Mac interface. Without a demo version, and at its price, I'm a bit cautious! (Thus at present I use a crudely hand-crafted set of Filemaker Pro databases alongside my PAF database.) One could of course imagine building the required functionality into a single system. However I prefer the way in which on the Mac, with the (fairly complete) uniformity of interfaces, plus the facilities for interworking, one can and does usually in most application areas use a set of relatively simple specialised packages, each for the part of the task to which it is most suited, rather than a big all-singing-all-dancing package. Nevertheless I accept that a number of your criticisms are very appropriate - the only answer to many of them is to point to the amazingly low price :-) Commenting on some of your points: |2) Does not manage Quaker dates or calendar transitions from Old |Style to New Style. Unfortunately I haven't yet (quite) reached the need for this :-) |5) Does not allow Family Notes Agreed - in fact in an earlier message I indicated I would prefer to have much more specific Notes fields, for documenting sources. |9) One can know age but not date... Where I know age relative to a date, I just use the "ABT" form of date. |12) No way to note other split or complex relationships except |divorce I've followed debates on this in various forums (fora?), but must confess I've not been convinced that one needs to do anything more than indicate the beginnings and endings of "parental pairing" arrangements (if they are not conventional marriages then this can be so indicated in the Notes field which is (or rather ought to be) associated with the pairing, i.e. Family). |15 If you go to a child and delete it.. there is no obvious way to get |back to where you want to be... ?what happens if you break a link?? |do you have two disjoint files..?? This is where I find careful recording and use of RIN numbers seems the best way of performing tree surgery. |18) Can you cut and paste?? You can cut and paste all the information on the screen that you might reasonable want to, in my opinion. |22) no back arrow Eh? |25) Poor repositioning capability for recovery when there is a |paper jam on a long printout. On the Mac the printouts are handled by standard Mac drivers, which have very convenient such facilities IMHO. |28) Can't print to a text file.. only to a printer or (via Preview) to |a screen. Agreed - this is a big fault. However I use a number of shareware GEDCOM packages to augment the PAF printouts. |I would welcome a better product. Agreed, but I think it might be a comparatively small upgrade on the present Mac PAF. Cheers Brian Randell Computing Laboratory, The University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk PHONE = +44 91 222 7923 FAX = +44 91 222 8232 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 15:11:51 EDT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Robert Formica AMSTE-LG 4876 Subject: INDEXING SOFTWARE (PC-INDEX) A program called PC-INDEX (shareware) is available from Simtel20 or wuarchive via anonymous FTP. at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil file is pd1:pci30.zip at wuarchive-wustl.edu file is mirrors/msdos/txtutl/pci30.zip Information on both FTP and the Simtel20 archive is available from genealog. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an abstract from the copyrighted PC-INDEX Users Guide for review purposes. PC-INDEX USER'S GUIDE Version 3.0 Copyright (c) 1989-90 HELP SOFTWARE 16706 BRADLEY COURT BELTON, MO 64012 (816) 331-5809 WHAT DOES PC-INDEX DO ? PC-INDEX is designed to produce the type of an index that you would find in the back of a book or reference manual. There are many options available and two types of indexes that can be created with PC-INDEX. Both index types are described here along with a section of that index type as an example. 1) Single Word Index: An index can be created listing every occurrence of every single word in a document. Optionally, you can include only the words you specify, or you can eliminate all occurrences of the 1000 most common words in the English language. You can even tell PC-INDEX to only index capitalized words (like names). Single Word Index Example: ----- A ----- bottom 9-10, 13 abbreviation 8 box 10, 14 abort 22 boxes 15 absence 8 brackets 8, 18 acceptance 2 BRADLEY 1-2 accordingly 20 breaks 5 2) Phrase Index: An index can be generated listing all phrases that you specify. PC-INDEX will even find phrases that wrap from one line to another or from one page to another. Phrase Index Example: ----- A ----- ----- I ----- automatically 21 index 1-22 ----- B ----- ----- O ----- Black and White monitor 20 on line help 4 Bradley 1-2 Option Menu 2, 11 build index 2, 9, 11-12 options 3, 6-8, 11, ----- C ----- ----- Q ----- copyright 1-2, 11, 15, 19-20 Quick Start Example 2, 5 Court 1-2 created 3, 5-6, 8-9, 12-14, 21-22 ----- S ----- spinoff list 11, 14, PC-INDEX can also create a list of all unique words and generate a word frequency report. PC-INDEX can index any size file. It can even handle multiple files at once. Related files such as chapters of a book, depositions, or trial transcripts can be indexed as a group. PC-INDEX differs significantly from the index feature in most word processors. Instead of having to mark each word or phrase (as you do with most word processors), PC-INDEX simply searches your document(s) for the words or phrases that choose to include. PC-INDEX supports a number of major word processors. Currently WordPerfect, Microsoft Word, Wordstar, Wordstar 2000, and Multimate documents are supported in addition to ASCII files. There is an example given for each type of index that PC-INDEX will create. All of the examples use the text in this document to create the index. I have no connection with this program. I have downloaded the file and tried it. It works as advertised. Bob Formica (rformic@apg-9.apg.army.mil) Abingdon, MD ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 11:45:52 PDT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Tom Lincoln Subject: A simulated Round Table on Genealogy Program Design... | "Exerpts from a Simulated Roundtable Discussion on Program Requirements" ( as reedited with cut and paste... ) TTW [Thomas T. Wetmore IV, Ph.D. < ttw@cbnewsl.cb.att.com >] BR [] TLL [Tom Lincoln, M.D. ] ..... beginning in medias res.. TTW 4. I have not assigned user interface features to generation; they seem orthogonal to me. 5. The higher the generation, the more users will have to learn before becoming effective. TLL I take issue with this, and I believe BR would support me.. To use advanced features such as an inferencing engine one will have to understand more deeply what one is doing in a logical and sicientific sense, but at the level of mechanics, an advanced system can be easier to learn than an over-simple one. The MAC emonstrates that programming advances need not also lead to greater training time... That is so IBM! {:-)) BR One could of course imagine building the required functionality into a single system. However I prefer the way in which on the Mac, with the (fairly complete) uniformity of interfaces, plus the facilities for interworking, one can and does usually in most application areas a setf relatively simple specialised packages, each for the part of the task to which it is most suited, rather than a big all-singing-all-dancing package. TTW I am convinced that the same system can handle both types of databases. But I am not convinced that it can handle both types of databases at the same time. Or rather, I am not convinced that I would want to mix the two types of information in the same database.Then again,I'm not sure I wouldn't either. I'm beginning to think of a database that has four kinds of records: 1. Person -- a results record -- information about a real person 2. Family -- a results record -- information about a real family 3. Event -- a research record -- refers to a primary (taken from parish register, census, vital record, etc) or secondary (taken from a book, newspaper, etc) record that mentions some fact or event involving some one or more people. 4. Source -- a research record -- information about a source that was used for the extracting of event records. TLL The division that TTW suggests is very operational.. and reflects closely the kinds of thinking that we have also arrived at with respect to health care records and the electronic medical record: 1) An episode of care, 2) The thread of care episodes in an individual, 3) the primary sources (tests, X-rays, encounter forms, etc) and 4) the characteristics or qualitications of these sources. Each kind of file has separate requirements and thus a separate structure in detail, but under a common set of data base conventions all would be orchestratable together. Whether this is one or more data bases is a matter of definition. Access would betransparent. The forms, both free and structured of the interface itself should also be event driven.. Audit trails, automatic time stamping, and common conventions for managing ambiguity should be included. Event driven conventions are powerful unifiers. As always, the devil is in the details and appropriate conventions are needed to manage them as well. As an example: TLL 9) One can know age but not date... BR Where I know age relative to a date, I just use the "ABT" form of date. TLL That is what I do too, but the subtility of the difference is lost. "Died, age 85 years" implies a birth baseline to estimate the date... That may not be present, or may change. Work arounds tangle things. A further example: TLL Present programs do not manage Quaker dates or calendar transitions from Old Style to New Style. BR Unfortunately I haven't yet (quite) reached the need for this :-) TLL When you do, it is no joking matter, because multiple ate conventions may be used in different documents. The astronomers have long recognized this and used a running count of days forward and backward from a conventionally chosen ' day 0' (10/4/1582). There are conversion algorithms that can translate one convention into any other. I will post a program in 'C' that also handles Easter, Rosh Hashanna, the French Revolution and the Islamic Calendar consistently. TLL No way to note other split or complex relationships except divorce BR I've followed debates on this in various forums (fora?), but must confess I've not been convinced that one needs to do anything more than indicate the beginnings and endings of "parental pairing" arrangements (if they are not conventional marriages then this can be so indicated in the Notes field which is (or rather ought to be) associated with the pairing, i.e. Family). TLL To avoid the "Family Values" issue, let's go back to the Kings of England -- who took family values seriously when it came to the crown... but also had other paring interests.... Clearly a bastard child (in the classic use) is NOT the same as a second marriage -- and these children were generally recognized and provided for (even some where it would be boastful to suppose that the royal father was really the father -- Macho was in...).Again, having no way to handle such events scrambles things. Example: If all is correct, our Flemmings are descended from a Malcom Flemming, third Lord Flemming, who married Janet Stewart, an illegitimate daughter of James IV of Scotland by Isabella Stewart, Countess of Bothwell (daughter of James, Earl of Buchan) who was (conveniently) thegoverness for the six-year-old Mary Queen of Scots in France... BR What do you mean by your comment on "cut and paste"? You can cut and paste all the information on the screen that you might reasonable want to, in my opinion. TLL Perhaps I just havn't understood what is possible. There are times when I would like to enter whole sets of duplicate data on multiple individuals as a chunk. It is more like copy and paste... The same cemetery in the same town in the same county in the same state... Each field is separate.. I want a spread sheet copy capability. TLL BR: To "no back arrow" you reply "Eh?" (That reply on JOSS was the only error message that the first interactive system ever had... .. but I go back too far :-)) This is a navigation question. In navigating through a tree of relationships, I often just want to retrace my steps. I can't do that with PAF. TLL TTW: Would you summarize? TTW A database only of events and sources only is a research database. One that contains person and family records is a results database. I view "doing genealogy" as extracting events from sources, inferring persons and families from those events, and generating textual products that summarize and describe those inferences. I obviously want a genealogical system to support all of these activities, and I spend many hours developing them. No records in such a database are certain. They all have some probability factor associated with them. Events from primary sources are fairly certain. Persons that you know or knew are very certain. Persons who are inferred from many consistent events are quite certain. Persons mentioned once in a secondary source are uncertain. And so onand so on (the heuristics that you have mentioned cast into my terminology). I view second generation genealogy systems as the type that can hold all four types of records, with no restrictions on size, content or format, and that can generate any kinds of reports from the database. In such a system, the user enters all data by hand, and makes all inferences about relationships by hand, and uses the database commands to link the various kinds of records together. I view third generation systems as those that propose conjectures about relationships, compute linkage likelihood factors, propose the creation of new persons and families when sufficently supported the event evidence, and so on. Up until the third generation, systems are strictly "mechanical," but in the third generation systems take on aspects of expert systems -- they have the rules and heuristics that experienced genealogists use built into them. ....... more at 11 :-) Tom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 01:39:03 GMT Reply-To: David Magier Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: David Magier Subject: Re: Mac PAF facilities (was: Facts, Theories, and Guessing Games) In article Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk writes: >Re: Tom Lincoln's message about PAF on the Macintosh: ... >|I would welcome a better product. > >Agreed, but I think it might be a comparatively small upgrade on the >present Mac PAF. One item left out of this discussion was my particular pet peeve about PAF: its inability to perform SEARCHES based upon keywords in notes (or any other) fields. The search capabilities are very crude, because they assume that you either know the RIN for the individual, or that you know in advance exactly how the information is entered in exactly which fields. In the case of notes fields, you can't search them at all. More functionality is sorely needed here... /// -- David Magier -- \\\ Columbia University ||| Head, AREA STUDIES ||| New York, N.Y. 10027 ||| S&SE Asia, Latin America, ||| (212) 854-8046 / FAX: 212 222-0331 \\\ Mid-East, Slavic, Africa /// ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 15:06:42 GMT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Brian.Randell@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Subject: My reference to GEDCOM-related shareware for Mac PAF Several readers of soc.roots have asked for further details relating to my comment in a previous message that I used a number of shareware packages in conjunction with PAF on my Macintosh. I should have been more specific. The shareware packages I was referring to are MSDOS packages that I use on my Mac via SoftPC, and Apple File Exchange. The ones I've found sufficiently useful to pay the shareware fee for are: DESCEND:"This program reads Personal Ancestral File (PAF) 2.x data files and produces an expanded descendant chart. The chart can have up to 16 generations, any person can have up to 5 marriages, and any couple can have up to 20 children. An individual entry consists of a descendant with birth, death, and (optionally) notes followed by a spouse with birth, marriage, death, and notes. This pattern is then repeated for their children. An index is generated after the chart. The chart can be routed to three output sources: printer, screen, or disk file. For directly printed charts, the printer instructions are EPSON standard and include compressed mode (17 cpi) and eight lines per inch vertically. If your printer does not accept these commands then use the disk output mode and edit the resulting file with a word processor before printing." PAFABLTY: "PAFAbility is an accessory program for users of Personal Ancestral File. PAFAbility reads the Family Record (FR) data files to produce a Record (also known as Modified Register) System format descendants report. The user has the option of creating a single line report (listing the descendants of one individual) or a multiple line report (listing the descendants of each ancestor of a specified individual)." Others I've tried include FTP (prints out a chart showing an entire family graph - I got it to work once or twice but have had some trouble with it), and HOWREL (shows how you are related to someone else, and how a number of genealogies loaded into data base "one" are related to other genealogies that are loaded into data base "two" - I can't recall my exerience with this). As far as I recall I got all of these by anonymous ftp (using a splendid Mac application called Xferit) from hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19) Cheers Brian Computing Laboratory, The University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk PHONE = +44 91 222 7923 FAX = +44 91 222 8232 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 02:47:41 GMT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: "Stephen A. Wood" Subject: Brothers Keeper v 5.0b availble via anonymous ftp A FTP site devoted exclusively to Genealogy related files and programs is available at hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19). This site is primarily for programs as genealogy text files are available at other sites. At present, most of the programs available are MS-DOS programs, but anyone is invited to submit programs for other platforms (unix, vms, macintosh, ...) to be archived here. Since there is a fine archive of genealogy text files located in the ROOTS-L directory of vm1.nodak.edu, text files will be kept to a minimum. The following files have been added since the last announcement to soc.roots about this ftp site. 30592 Jun 4 gbbs9205.zip Latest Gene. BBS list/R. Pence 312012 Jun 10 bk50bd1.zip Brothers Keeper version 5.0b Disk 1 322575 Jun 10 bk50bd2.zip Brothers Keeper version 5.0b Disk 2 345100 Jun 10 bk50bd3.zip Brothers Keeper version 5.0b Disk 3 337009 Jun 10 bk50bd4.zip Brothers Keeper version 5.0b Disk 4 235409 Jun 10 bk50bd5.zip Brothers Keeper version 5.0b Disk 5 Thanks to Cliff Manis for acquiring and mailing this latest version of Brother's Keeper to me. ---- To access these files, ftp to hallc1.cebaf.gov, give anonymous as the username, and your network address as the password. All of the genealogy files are in the subdirectory /genealogy. Files that end in ".zip", "lzh" or ".exe" are binary and should be transferred in binary mode. Files that end in anything else are probably text files and should be transferred in ASCII mode. Binaries will usually be in ZIP format with a file extension of ".zip". A self extracting copy of PKware's shareware programs is in the file "pkz110eu.exe". Some files are also compressed with lharc having the ending ".lzh". The software to unpack those files can be found in the self extracting archive "lha213.exe". There are also several files that end with ".exe". These are generally self extracting archives The current listing of files on hallc1.cebaf.gov in the /genealogy anonymous ftp directory is in the file INDEX also in the /genealogy directory. If there is a program that you think should be posted, write me a note requesting it. The file AVAILABLE contains a list of files that are available to me from a local genealogy BBS. If you would like a file that is in the AVAILABLE list, just send me a note. Please make sure that the file is not already available in the /genealogy directory before requesting it. This ftp site welcomes uploads. Files should be transferred to the directory /genealogy/Uploads. Please send mail to saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov after uploading something. Please include a description of what it is. This ftp site is subject to removal at any time without notice. However, I don't anticipate having to discontinue it any time in the near future. If at some point in the future I needed to terminate anonymous ftp access, I would make a serious effort to transfer the files to another anonymous ftp location. Some network users can send and receive mail, but can not use ftp. (Because they are not directly connected to internet.) These users can still retrieve files from hallc1.cebaf.gov (or any anonymous ftp site) using a ftp mail server at the address ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com. Cliff Manis has prepared some instructions on how to use this service. Send mail to the address LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU, with the following line as the entire body of the message get genealog how2dec And a file with instructions will be mailed back. If one is on a bitnet node, use the address LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 instead. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Stephen Wood, CEBAF, Newport News, VA Presently Searching: LAMB SHIFLETT HUMES LIMB TODD CONY SELF BITNET: saw@cebaf INTERNET: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov -- Stephen A. Wood CEBAF/SURA Internet: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov Mail Stop 12H Internet: saw@cebaf.gov 12000 Jefferson Avenue Bitnet: saw@cebaf Newport News, VA 23606 Phone: (804)249-7367 Office: CEBAF Center C121 FAX: (804)249-7363 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 08:40:00 CDT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: hunterl@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU Subject: RE: PAF Macintosh PAF call 800-453-3860 ext 2584 for inf for order call 800-537-5950 Lyle Hunter Computer Center University Wisconsin-Whitewater hunterl@uwwvax.uww.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 13:16:52 EST Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: KRAFT@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU Subject: update: NEHGS & computing [NEHGS = New England Historic Genealogical Society] The just-arrived NEXUS Newsletter from the NEHGS contains the following statement, from a column on "Computer Interests" by Donald MacDonald: NEHGS is taking an active role in advancing genealogical computing. In upcoming NEXUS columns you will see articles on how to get started, and how to use the computer most effectively as a tool of for good research. Because so much can be learned from sharing experiences, we are forming a genealogy Computer Interest Group for our members as well. ...We welcome your comments and suggestions. Please address your computer-related concerns to Donald MacDonald at NEHGS, 101 Newbury Street, Boston MA 02116. The project to get the NEHGS online has also made excellent progress, thanks to advice from several of you. People from the WORLD networking group in Boston will visit the Society in about a week, and hopefully the NEHGS will begin listening in on and contributing to ROOTS-L soon thereafter. They are already actively computerizing their library catalogue. Hopefully, the Book Loan department will also go online. Bob Kraft, UPenn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 15:30:13 -0400 Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: "JACKIE TAFFE, TELECOM, EXT 2-1030" Subject: RE: PAF Macintosh To call re: PAF file call (801)240-2584 Questions or suggestions can be directed to : The Family History Department Ancestral File Operations Unit, 2WW 50 East North Temple Street Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 Enjoy! Jackie Taffe Searching for DUNN , SHEA, FISHER, TAFFE, VANBUSKIRK (New England Area) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1992 04:00:10 GMT Reply-To: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Brian.Randell@NEWCASTLE.AC.UK Subject: Journal: Computers in Genealogy There was a recent message giving details of the magazine Genealogical Computing. I thought that soc.roots/ROOTS-L readers might also like some information about the quarterly journal Computers in Genealogy (ISSN 0263-3248), published by the (UK) Society of Genealogists (14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Road, London EC1 7BA), in association with the British Computer Society. Computers in Genealogy has a wider range than Genealogical Computing, both in terms of its subject matter, and with respect to the scale "scholarly papers to amateurish articles". |From the index that I received with Vol. 4 no. 1, I see that Volume 3 had 10 issues, starting in Sept. 1988. (The index is detailed, but is not accompanied by a consolidated set of contents pages). Six issues of Vol. 4 have so far appeared, each of 40-50 pages. The main articles in Vol. 4 to date have been: Vol. 4, no. 1 (Mar 1991): Transcription of Parish Registers; Family History System Improvements; The IGI on Compact Disc; IGI & Ancestral File: GEDCOM Extracts; Indexing by Computer. Vol. 4, no. 2 (June 1991): Computerization of the 1881 Census; Heritage for the BBC Computer; Choosing your Computer Program; HYPERTEXT using HyperCard on Apple Mac; Critique of GEDCOM. Vol. 4, no. 3 (Sept. 1991): Formation of a Database by Optical Scanning; Heraldry, Genealogy and the Computer; Biographs for 19th Century Family History Research; Upgrading the PCW. Vol. 4, no. 4 (Dec. 1991): Make Friends with a Computer; Printing on A4 with PAF; Personal Ancestral File - Add-Ins & Add-Ons; Communicating by Computer. Vol. 4, no. 5 (Mar. 1992): Use of a General Data-Base for One-Name Files; Creation and Usage of Machine-Readable Files from GRO Indexes; Direct Data Transfer Between Computers; Heritage User Group. Vol. 4, no. 6 (June 1992): Neural Networks - Are They Any Use to Genealogists; Exeter Conference reports; Running PC AtLast Under Windows; Which PAF Ahnentafel?; Drawing on a Computer; Hertfordshire Marriage Index. Each issue typically also has several software reviews, news of meetings, etc., and letters to the editor. Cheers Brian Randell PS I am a member of the sponsoring societies, but have no connection with the journal other than as a subscriber ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1992 08:14:24 GMT Reply-To: sturgeon_c@EIS.DOFASCO.CA Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: sturgeon_c@EIS.DOFASCO.CA Subject: Re: Generations of Genealogy Software Thomas' definitions of the genealogy software generations seems accurate from where I sit. And his comments/opinions seem reasonable. At OGS's Seminar '92, held in Hamilton, Ontario, on May 22-24, 1992 we had a computer software demonstration room. LDS was there with FamilySearch and PAF. And we had three other knowledgable people demonstrating PAF, FHS and BK. Also I was demonstrating a genealogy research guide, a hypertext document. In addition I was showing off some up-and-coming WINDOWS applications. Most people who attended the demos were not ready to go beyond the 1st generation (PAF, BK, FHS, etc.). I see the 2nd generation being the POWER USER generation of tools. This is where the user defines fields and their types, lengths, etc. I also see the user defining the resource (Family Records, cemetery records, whatever..). Reports are, as mentioned by Thomas, customizable. I showed a prototype of a tool (for WINDOWS) to do some of this, which included the user being able to define the user interface. The user can paint the screen and identify where text boxes, list boxes, picture boxes, etc. are to appear. As I mentioned most genealogists were not ready to go to this level. I seem to have agreement from most genealogists that it was time the 1st generation started looking at common user interfaces. WINDOWS seems appropriate. In any case, users find it difficult to move from one user interface to another. As for the 3rd generation... this is the smarts behind the raw data. As a rookie genealogist, the types of analysis Thomas mentions I could use. I think we need a standard format for storing the results for future references and continued analysis... GEDCOM again? -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Craig Sturgeon (sturgeon_c@eis.dofasco.ca) Dofasco Steel Inc. 100 Lyons Ave., 1330 Burlington St. East Brantford, Ontario Hamilton, Ontario Canada N3R 4R4 Canada L8N 3J5 (416) 548-4420 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1992 08:27:51 CST Reply-To: Bob Boisvert Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Bob Boisvert Subject: Genealogical Computing Magazine In a previous posting it was written: > First, "Genealogical Computing," a quarterly journal. Issues range > about 50 pages in length, 8 1/2 by 11 inches. Contains articles, > product reviews, regular columns, advertisements. > > Genealogical Computing > P.O. Box 476 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84110 > 1-800-531-1790 (phone subscriptions) > $25.00 annual subscription > I called the toll free number and the phone was answered "Ancestry". I asked about receiving an evaluation copy and was told that they do not send out complimentarily issues but that they would sell me a single issue. This they sold for $8.50 including shipping. (Plus they take Visa) I have purchased too many "pigs in a poke" so before taking out a subscription I like to see what I buying. I'll let you know what I think of the publication. | Who I Am: Bob Boisvert | nowhere | | Internet: rboisver@encore.com | nowhere ME nowhere | | Phone: (619) 939-9278 | nowhere | | Place: China Lake NAWC, CA. | | |{Computer and Genealogy advice while you wait}|{Out in the middle of NOWHERE}| ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1992 07:48:52 GMT Reply-To: Theodore John Swift Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Theodore John Swift Subject: Re: Genealogical Databases > I concluded that I need a general purpose data base program that > I can tailor for searches, listings, etc. My analysis of available DBMSs > for the MAC led me to select FoxBase for the Mac as the best tradeoff > between price and capabilities. > > I plan to use GEDCOM for the means of transferring files between FoxBase > and PAF, and I have ordered the GEDCOM documentation from the LDS folks > in SLC. Hmmm... Have you heard of and considered Commsoft's program "Sesame"? It's tailored more for research (than PAF, say), and is like a DBMS, though it's more like a free-form spreadsheet, where each cell can have any content you want, up to 64K of text(!). It seems like it would be a lot of work to teach FoxBase how to understand GEDCOM when Sesame already knows. -- ---------------------- Ted Swift tswift@well.sf.ca.us or, better yet, Ted_Swift@qm.sri.com "You bally well are informed, Jeeves! Do you know everything?" "I don't know, sir" ~P.G. Wodehouse ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 04:51:34 PDT Reply-To: Tom Lincoln Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Tom Lincoln Subject: Review of REUNION for the MAC: After using REUNION 3.0 for a week and exploring its potential, this is a first rate package that has been superbly thought out! Requires a minimum of a MAC Plus with 2.5 MB of memory and System 6.0.5, a hard disk, and at least one 800 MB drive. (This is one of the machines I use, and it works just fine. A little more memory would be helpful -- when I do development work, I like to do it on a minimal machine...) There are GEDCOM files; "SuperChart" makes full graphic (PICT) file output in a thoughtful two dimensional form with appropriate connecting lines, even for complicated relationships (which can then be further modified in any manner one likes using a PAINT program); there are numerous specialized auxiliary files: mailing lists, text documents, index & birthday list, questionnaires, graphics files, etc. There is an impressive set of utilities for generating such things as family history outlines and family histories from the ancestry file, as well as the usual descendancy and ancestry charts. The guts of the application consists of a set of HyperCard stacks using HyperCard 2.1 which is delivered with the program. Each Family File for a separate genealogy is a separate stack, but several may share the various utility stacks. It is easy to hop from one Family file to another, and they can be linked, so that every lineage need not be put in one vast "glom". The basic display and action unit is the family page. The ability to use type fonts of a smaller size increases the density of what can be displayed well. In the center are the father and mother of the family unit, children's names are in buttons displayed below, and the parents names and birth and death years are on both sides above. Centrally placed under the names of the father and mother is a display space which show a facts list for each side by side that present all of the usual data (in PAF this is only observable when one opens the work sheet display about an individual). Three of these fields are user definable (see below), and all are free form, but limited in length by the display to about ___ characters. The wedding date and place appears between the two principles, and other arrangements such as common law can be noted. There is space for divorce, annulment, etc. and the date. Note fields about the mother and father can be overlayed over the facts displays, as can specialized note fields commenting on open research issues, or special features, such as medical problems for those studying genetics.A list of multiple spouses also appears on demand in this display space, which allows a choice by clicking on the appropriate entry. The children buttons show in regular print when a family card has been created for them and italics when there is no card. Utilities are evoked and new relationships created from the menus at the top of the screen. Navigation is by using the mouse to click on buttons or over text entries. There is a simple means of designating which is to be the first card that comes up, so it can be any one that one is working on, or some conventional first card, such as you or your earliest ancestor. This can be changed by a single click. -----------Use: In the week that I have had the program, I have loaded several GEDCOM files and entered extensive data on one group of 5 generations about which I know a great deal. This group offers many of the ordinary complications, such as multiple wives, imprecise dates, rich commentary, many and complicated documents, etc. I have not yet done much with the graphics components, except to see that they work, but rather have concentrated on discovering how the program can be modified for my particular interests, and whether it can contain all of the richness that I require. It can. The field usually reserved for Christening I have relabeled as "Event" to handle important life events that differ from individual to individual, including their dates. Thus, in one case, "elected to office" is the event, and in another "landed in NewCastle PA". I have so far left the RIN field and the ID# fields, which are also modifiable, alone. However, despite its richness and elegance, there are certain kinds of data which it does not display to my satisfaction: 1] There is no field on the family card that displays the overall historical situation within which a particular family unit is living (i.e., something about the War of 1812, or the panic of 1873 or the like) -- although this could be put in a document for more distant reference; 2] There is no field on the family card that displays the context of the family members as a whole -- parents, children, etc. (such as something about the town where they live) -- although, once again this could be put in a document; 3] On a small screen MAC, moving text and other information from word processor files through "cut and paste" doesn't have a scratch field to put it in... This is where the openness of the stacks becomes important. ----------- For Hackers and Developers: The stacks are set at userlevel 2 to prevent confusion, but can be easily raised to userlevel 5 for modification and script writing. They are not protected. I added three "background fields" to the Family stack to handle the three objections above. It took about 10 minutes, complete with the buttons to activate them. (As they stand now, these merely piggy-back on top of the application architecture, and will not be linked into any file or printout; but integrating these new capabilities will be the next step, now I know what I want and have tested these features). The reason I want these features are so that other members of my family (some of them children) can browse the stack and also learn a little historical context along the way... Then there are the small missing features that every-one discovers about someone else's product: A.) One would like to know when there are notes in the various note fields so that it is obvious whether one should open them or not. I added a tiny bit of code so that the buttons are black (highlighted) for those cards where there is data.. and a toggle feature to the Note button: if it is closed the button displays the Notes; if they are displayed, it closes them. I put the same conventions on the fields that I added. B.) In my family, there are many individuals with the same name in different generations, and it easy, particularly among the children, to forget where you are. I added a highlight toggle so that a child button that I consider important can be made black (or equally easily reversed). I have always missed this feature in PAF! C.) The means of changing the FIRST CARD on opening the stack is very handy, but if you hit the button by mistake, there is no way to cancel it. A trivial script rearrangement fixed this. D.) There are two means for moving back and forth between multiple wives or husbands. One way is from a list. The other is by putting the "spouse number" (1...2...3...4) into an input field. I find the latter inelegant, in that it requires one to know who is one and who is two. Choice from the table is much better, and puts name recognition to the fore. However, putting in a number is what you get when going down the descendancy path. I substituted the table for this interaction by a minor modification in the "cCall" handler. (The programming has been done in such a powerful manner, that it doesn't take much to make such a shift.) E.) Anyone who has followed my postings knows that I am a bug on calendars and date arithmetic. There is a nice little utility called Ages... that takes the data from a particular mother and father unit, calculates the length of their life from the birth and death dates and the length of the marriage to the death of the first spouse or some other termination. It also gives the day of the week for all of these events. For individuals alive today, it calculates how much longer they are likely to live on the average as a smoker and as a non-smoker using a simple prognostic algorithm. Good news! It gets my full MD approval! BUT THERE ARE PROBLEMS and incompletenesses. I really took this one on and rewrote it (as of 19 Jun 1992): 1) To calculate approximate length of life and of marriage if the dates are incomplete (and hide inappropriate day-of-the-week displays); 2) To make the calculations commensurate with the various calendar changes that went from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in Rome (4 Oct 1582), Paris (9 Dec 1582), and in Spain, Britain, and the Colonies (2 Sep 1752)... and potentially many more! so that a date entered in the appropriate notation of the time would have the proper arithmetic (and day of the week); 3) And to use this program as a consistency check for the dates in the Facts displays for the mother and father in question. Does the marriage occur within their lifetimes? Do they die after they are born? Do they overlap sufficiently to be mother and father? etc. to catch typos (primarily) and other inadvertencies. What goes on on this card does not impact anything else. Happy to provide a modified Dialogs 3.0 stack for anyone who would like to try it... (It won't work if you don't own Reunion!). Working on this stack could become an almost open ended hobby! Is it a good application? As we say in mathematics... QED HERE is a: FACT FINDING LOG on net interactions Wed, 10 Jun to Fri, 12 Jun: :::::::::::::: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 14:18:59 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN@STARS.GSFC.NASA.GOV Subject: Mac software To: lincoln@rand.org In article <3489@pacific.rand.org>, you write... > >Maybe I just havn't used PAF on the MAC enough... but these are the >problems that I find.. > (long list) I've been very happy with Reunion from Leister Productions. I haven't used many of the more advanced features since I'm just getting into genealogy, but it seems very well designed. It's based on Hypercard. GEDCOM output. Also comes with a graphical chart editor, with nice defaults. I looked at PAF, but from the brochure it seemed that it was designed for the PC and ported to the Mac. Gwyn Fireman (unix novice) phone: (301) 794-1560 Computer Sciences Corporation span: IUEGTC::FIREMAN IUE Observatory internet: fireman@iuegtc.dnet.nasa.gov :::::::::::::: To: FIREMAN@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov Cc: lincoln@rand.org, lincoln@iris Subject: Re: Mac software Date: Thu, 11 Jun 92 01:46:29 PDT From: Tom Lincoln Gyn: >I've been very happy with Reunion from Leister Productions. Where did you get it? Is it an open (modifiable) Stack, or can you attach calls to it to include your own modifications? Tom :::::::::::::: Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 12:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "IUEGTC::FIREMAN"@STARS.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Gwyn Fireman (301)794-1560) Subject: Re: Mac software To: lincoln%iris@rand.org Hi, Tom - I got Reunion from either the MacConnection or MacWarehouse catalogs, I forget which. I don't know if the stack is modifible, since I don't do any Mac programming. When I called for technical support one day, I ended up talking to the author. It may also be helpful to get the brochures and samples - they impressed me enough to get me to buy the program! Gwyn A special thanks to Jim Moores for sharing this info: Apple/Mac Genealogy software for the ROOTS-L FAQ. >======================================================================= Apple/Mac Genealogy Software .....LOTS OF ENTRIES REUNION - Leister Productions, 14 Hill Blvd, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055, phone 717-697- 1378. For the Macintosh, requires 1MB memory and two 800K disk drives; $99 plus $4 s&h; Visa and MC. GEDCOM option scheduled for addition, at which time the price will increase to $129. Free brochure and sample printouts available. [NOTE.. THIS FAQ IS VERY OUT OF DATE (FAQs should be internally dated) Memory requirements are at least 2.5 MB; Hard Disk needed; GEDCOM option is in place .... Tom Lincoln] >======================================================================= :::::::::::::: To: fireman@iuegtc.DNET.NASA.GOV (Gwyn Fireman (301)794-1560) Subject: Re: found this on ROOTS-L; see Reunion address toward end. By the way, your last message did get to me. gf From: Tom Lincoln Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:04:57 PDT Gwyn: Called them up. The hypercard portion is not locked, so that one can make modifications to the scripts to add features. $115. through MAC Connections.. BTW: Called Mac Connections at 5:30 PM yesterday. Got REUNION this AM by express mail. Thanks again! Tom ---------------------- end of log ---------------------- When there are flames out there.. I'm sure glad we have a FIREMAN! {B-) . ( .) ((). GLAD ()(( THE FIRE {\@@/} IS OUT... lincoln@rand.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1992 13:33:52 EDT Reply-To: "J.P. Letellier" Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: "J.P. Letellier" Subject: Re: Genealogical Databases I called Commsoft, Inc about "Sesame". As Ted Swift said, it is only for the MAC or PC-WINDOWS. No plans to make it work without Windows. However, it is on sale right now, so the normal $199 price is reduced to $99.95. I forgot to ask how long it will be on sale. jp I am located in the Alexandria VA area. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 18:25:37 GMT Reply-To: Trevor Jenkins Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Trevor Jenkins Subject: PC Software In article shaver@convex.com writes: > > Is there either a FAQ or summary listing the different genealogical > packages that are available under MS-DOS? I'm a total neophyte to > genealogy and genealogical software. I currently have PAF v2.2, but > I'm wondering if there is anything "better." Can someone help me get > started? What features, if any, are missing from PAF that I will > eventually want? Whilst not an FAQ the "Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry" publishes a 6-"volume" work by John Bloore in which he compares most PC genealogical software. These have been variously published between late 1990 and mid 1991. It covers all the major packages, PAF, Brothers Keeper, FHS, Family Ties. In one of the volumes there is a ranking scheme by which you can evaluate the various packages; the questions are different from those included in "Andereck and Pense". The address of B&MSG&H is "92 Dimmingsdale Bank, Birmingham, B32 1ST, England." I bought the complete set yesterday for 1.50 pound a volume. For those, like me working on their programs, this has good background material on the _competion_ as it covers both strengths and weaknesses! :-) Trevor Jenkins Radio: G6AJG 134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk phone: +44 (0)923 776436 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 11:46:00 +0100 Reply-To: TUR_C@cism.univ_lyon1.fr Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List From: Christine TUR Subject: Re: Associations for use of Computers in Genealogy. >From: IN%"ROOTS-L@NDSUVM1.BITNET" "ROOTS-L Genealogy List" 10-MAY-1992 16:48: 22.19 >To: IN%"ROOTS-L@NDSUVM1.BITNET" "Multiple recipients of" >CC: >Subj: Associations for use of Computers in Genealogy. > >Received: from FRMOP11.BITNET (MAILER@FRMOP11) by cism.univ-lyon1.fr (PMDF > #12328) id <01GJUQGN983K91XETR@cism.univ-lyon1.fr>; Sun, > 10 May 1992 16:48 +0100 >Received: from FRMOP11 by FRMOP11.BITNET (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7835; > Sun, 10 May 92 16:47:53 GMT >Date: Sun, 10 May 1992 16:45:25 LCL >From: Alf Christophersen >Subject: Associations for use of Computers in Genealogy. >Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List >To: Multiple recipients of >Reply-to: ROOTS-L Genealogy List >Message-id: <01GJUQGN983K91XETR@cism.univ-lyon1.fr> >X-Envelope-to: KIKI >Comments: To: roots-l >Comments: cc: manis > > >Hi Roots-l and soc.roots readers in other countries than US and Norway. >(For US, if I'm not wrong, you once uploaded a file containing the US >organizations. Do you have a new one you could provide me? > >I'm interested if you could look up and send me addresses for any >organizations which is any kind of Associations of use of computers in >Genealogic Research. (ie. equals to NGS-NGC). If there are Associations for >Genealogy who has subgroups for COmputer-use, I would like to get these too. > >I'm also interested in addresses for Associations for Genealogy (equal to or >similar to National Genealogy Society, NGS) > >After summer, I'll upload the results as a file on Roots-L area. > > >PLEASE. Reply me with E-mail, don't use Follow up or any other kind >overflowing the network. If somebody gives me diverging information, I'll >send you a mail for clarification. > >Alf Christophersen >Roots-L List owner > >Alf.Christophersen@nutri.uio.no >achristo@ulrik.uio.no Christine TUR Universite Claude Bernard - Lyon I C.I.S.M. - Bat 101 43,bvd du 11 Novembre 1918 69622 Villeurbanne Cedex FRANCE Tel : (+33) 72 44 83 61 Fax : (+33) 72 44 84 10 email : TUR_C@cism.univ_lyon1.fr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1992 16:00:29 GMT Reply-To: Judy Gurka Sender: ROOTS-L Genealogy List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU From: Judy Gurka Subject: Re: Subject Search, Library of Congress In article <01GLMMRREV6O001F81@CC.OWU.EDU> JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET writes: >Many of you roots-l subscribers know that you can access the Library of >Congress via Telnet. For example, TELNET 192.65.218.43 However, as guests >of the system, we are not permitted a subject search of their holdings in >any way similar to the Melvyl system of the California library system. >A way to search for a family history, however, if you do NOT know the >author or the exact title, is to use a search for the Library of >Congress Catalog number. >Use the following (without quotation marks) > "C=CS71.?***" where the ? is replaced by the first letter of the >family name for which you are searching. >[...] Try it - it's great! Nice interface - no trouble figuring out what to do. Names of interest seem to be almost in alphabetical order (about 98%?), so don't scan too fast. Since you can't (as far as I could tell) move quickly to that portion of that letter's list, remember to look for all names of interest by that letter in the single pass. I looked for BORTZ - there were 1200+ entries under B**** (including Pocahontas - author was Brown, and Benjamin Franklin; wonder if these were mistakes or just cross-listings?). No luck - guess that means I have to write it (isn't this how many books get started, by someone who wanted to read it?!). The report provides one line per reference, with the usual ability to display the entire reference. As an example of serendipity, I called up a reference whose partial title (not all of it fit) did not show the name in question. Due to the recent messages to her, I noticed a familiar name. So, if Beth Hamm is connected back up (or some kind person can forward this to her): "Six New England Families ... Hamm ..." by: Patricia Bowden Corey call number: CS71.B459 Now to look for all my other names ... Thanks to the original poster for pointing to this nifty resource! Judy BORTZ GURKA gurka@cs.colorado.edu Researching: BORTZ - anywhere Pennsylvania (or Europe, but I haven't gotten that far yet on most): ALBERT FILLHAUER REINHAR(D)T STEVENS ARNOLT GREENAWALT/GRUNWALD/... SCHAEFFER STEIN BERK/BERG LETEER SINGER VAN DUZER/DOOZER/... BRAUCHER POSTEN STAPLES WALTER(S)/WALTHER WETZEL =========================================================================