From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Fri Sep 15 19:40:52 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8G1eqjb031764; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:40:52 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8G1epCh021188 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:40:51 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8FMxLFI001471 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:59:21 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k8FMxL4M001470 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:59:21 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k8FK2WFI001112 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:02:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k8FMhohO004430 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:43:50 -0600 X-Envelope-From: otg@csolve.net Fri Sep 15 16:43:49 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k8FMhnjb004421 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:43:49 -0600 Received: from balrog.csolve.net (balrog.csolve.net [207.164.80.179]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8FMhiYv022346 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:43:45 -0600 Received: from 216.208.153.235.hub5.csolve.net ([216.208.153.235] helo=Lorine1) by balrog.csolve.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1GOMPL-0003ms-OI; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:43:41 -0400 From: "Olive Tree Genealogy" Organization: Olive Tree Genealogy To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:43:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-to: otg@csolve.net CC: "Barbara Bickle" Message-ID: <450AF45A.18469.20AF820@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200609152000.k8FK07r5025402@lists5.rootsweb.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Re: ggrandmother Susan On 15 Sep 2006 at 14:00, ROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:54:43 -0400 > From: "Barbara Bickle" > Subject: ggrandmother Susan > > A looking for my ggrandmother, Susan Crum (or Crun) Bickle. > Born in England 1815 apparently emigrated to Canada with > husband James. James died 1880 in Woodstock Ontario and > have located his grave there. No record of her there. She > moved to Paris with one son, Harry and daughter Lucy. > Appears in 1901 census with son, daughter in law and > grandson. Then disappears. Son and family moved to > Riverside California shortly after that. Daughter Lucy > married Alfred Burtch 1880. I have all the information on > the descendents of Harry Bickle but would like to find what > happened to Susan and if there are any descendents of Lucy. Hello Barbara It's not clear if you have details of Susan's immigration, have found her in census records other than 1901, know all family members etc. So I'll give you some places you can look - first, you should check the Ontario Vital Stats for B/D/M for the family. Did you find James' death record? Have you found any births for any children? Have you found all marriages of children? You can get some help and find out where these records are by going to the Ontario Genealogy section on http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/ Check out the Vital Stats section as there are links to online records. Vital stats in Ontario started in 1869 so you should be able to find lots on the family You can also check USA census records after 1901, as well as pre 1901 Canadian records. Find out where she was and when she arrived in Canada. See http://allcensusrecords.com/ Paris is in Brant County and you should check the Brant Co. GenWeb to see what is available. Your Susan was about 85 in 1901 so she may have died not long after that census was taken. Did you check for death records for her? Try Vital Stats but don't overlook OCFA (Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid) http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa Here is James' death as indexed on Ancestry. Name: James Bickle Death Date: 6 or 7 May 1880 Death Location: Oxford Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Birth Location: Dev,Eng You'll want to get the full record as it has more information such as cause of death, informant's name, etc. This is available on Ancestry, on microfilm, or in person at Ontario Archives (and other local archives) Be sure to check out her son Harry's marriage record as it shows his mother Susan with a different surname than you have. (Horrall, not Crum) Be sure and check the Newspaper Records section on http://olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/npaper.shtml I am pretty sure Brant Co. has a newspaper Births, Marriages, Deaths Index online I see from the 1901 census that her son was born in Ontario in 1852 so you should be able to find the family on 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 census - and perhaps 1851 if they were settled by then What about land records - have you checked those? There may be a petition on file for land grants, and if so, those petitions are a wealth of genealogical info. http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ont/land.shtml will get you started, also see http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ont/clri.shtml for help with the CLRI (Ontario Land Record Index) Good luck! Lorine -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ * Naturalization Records http://naturalizationrecords.com/ * Images of Ships Lists http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ otg@csolve.net or olivetreegenealogy@gmail.com