From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Sun May 7 13:58:15 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k47JwFjb031156; Sun, 7 May 2006 13:58:15 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k47JwDEC017874 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 13:58:13 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k47HOTFI015688 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 13:24:29 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k47HOTHI015687 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Sun, 7 May 2006 13:24:29 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k47CuEFI015175 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:56:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k47FTlpN028559 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:29:47 -0600 X-Envelope-From: mscheffl@twcny.rr.com Sun May 7 09:29:47 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k47FTljb028550 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:29:47 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k47FTkWh022118 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:29:46 -0600 Received: from m1070n (cpe-24-92-248-107.twcny.res.rr.com [24.92.248.107]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k47FTdFL004288; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <027401c671eb$0da37ff0$6801a8c0@m1070n> From: "MScheffler" To: , References: <240.ae20492.318e87d2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] One World Trees Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:29:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com I think you are talking about apples and oranges. Yes at "genealogy.com" for a subscription cost I believe people have access to all the "family trees" people submitted for the FTM cds. I never submitted a tree to FTM because I didn't want my material -- mistakes and all burned to cd and resold in that format. On Ancestry and WorldConnect one can fix their mistakes. The mistakes on the cds that people have purchased will stick around as long as the thousands of cds sold will last. To be fair, there was an agreement that submitters to FTM agreed to that the material they were submitting would be made available to others at a cost (the FTM pedigree cds). What is online at genealogy com is part of that process. So your daughter "gave" your research to the wider world just as the rest of us do when we share in any online shared database. I fail to understand why you would be asked personally for permission when it was your daughter that submitted and gave permission for the material to be published to cd. How your material got to the Ancestry database may be that some other individual likely took your published information that your daughter willingly submitted for an FTM cd and sent it on to Ancestry or WorldConnect. Something similar happened to me. A few years back I found a substantial portion of material I had freely submitted to the Ancestry shared database on the Kindred Konnections site -- which is an entirely different subscription site. That site used to give some free time in exchange for submitted gedcom files. So someone obviously downloaded my material from Ancestry and sent it on to Kindred Konnections without giving me credit for my good material (and a few mistakes too) which I later tried to get the submitters to correct. Of course I heard not a word from them But Kindred Konnections had given that database "several stars" for good quality research. The Ancestry and WorldConnect trees do have submitter information with email address on them, so it is not the company's fault if someone else submitted your information with their name not yours. If people use false names or email addresses or more likely change them after their submission without correcting their database online, I fail to see how that is Ancestry's fault. If they use material they simply combined from downloading gedcoms submitted by other without credit that is not Ancestry's responsibility either. Yes, we have all made mistakes. You can correct to a degree what is already there, by creating a current gedcom and submitting it to either side of the WorldConnect and Ancestry large database. Also most of what we submit online (names and dates and locations) is already in the public domain, so it is not material that is secret. Probably what some family member thought was private is out there in newspaper birth listings & obituaries, city directories, phone books and a myriad of other public records. For all of us it is wise to remember, that anything we send off to cyberspace to share is out of our control so there is always a need to be careful and not share material we think should be kept to ourselves. Personally I am a big advocate of sharing. But always we need to remember that when we share, others may use information in ways we had not intended. Good luck with your research, and do try to correct the mistakes by sending off your updated information if you are concerned they will mislead others. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] One World Trees > My family tree was taken by Ancestry from a submission that my daughter > made > to Family Tree Maker about 4 years ago. We really didn't know what we were > doing at the time and had no idea that this could even happen. This info > is > now on line for the word to see (which I promised family members I > wouldn't > do). Ancestry didn't ask if it was okay to use it, nor even tell me they > were > doing it.They didn't even have the decency to put contact information > with it > so that if by some chance someone wants to ask question or suggest > corrections, they can't. The sad thing is that I know there are mistakes > in this early > work that I did. Although part of me thinks its wonderful to have all of > what > Ancestry has to offer available to us, the other part says it's just > plain > wrong to take someone's research and post it on line without asking me. >