From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Fri Mar 24 00:22:38 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2O7Mcjb004352; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:22:38 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2O7MbOB027720 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:22:37 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2O4pXFI016110 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:51:33 -0500 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k2O4pXBt016109 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:51:33 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k2O10nFI014862 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:00:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k2O3VgKE009055 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:31:42 -0700 X-Envelope-From: fenenga@connpoint.net Thu Mar 23 20:31:42 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k2O3Vgjb009046 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:31:42 -0700 Received: from email-out.userservices.net (email-out.userservices.net [207.109.251.2]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2O3VdFl021434 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:31:39 -0700 Received: from your6bvpxyztoq (dialup-ras24-155.eug.or.uspops.net [64.28.60.155]) by email-out.userservices.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id k2O3V0J2004476 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <007801c64ef3$60da0c40$9b3c1c40@your6bvpxyztoq> From: "Edwin and Cornelia Moore" To: References: <200603232333.k2NNXW6l028471@lists5.rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:30:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Wagner brick wall-MA, USA, & Eng/Pol/Russia here is what I know and the family stories, which most I haven't been able to prove. my great grandfather Charles J. Wagner son of Anton and Thecla b. abt 1855 Poland/Russia d. abt 1894 (said to be 3 Aug 1894 in Chelsea, MA, but no death record found) m. 4 Oct 1883 Boston, MA Annie McDonald dau. of Allan McDonald and Sarah McPhail b. 15 Jun 1858 Whycocomagh, Nova Scotia d. 30Aug 1909 Oakland, CA they had one child. my grandfather Allan John Wagner b. 7 May 1886 Boston, MA d. 3 Aug 1969 Walnut Creek, CA family stories, taken from memory of Allan John Wagner's wife, Florence Ardell Wyruck, hint at a name change. it is known that her father spelled his name Wyruck and her grandfather spelled his name Weyrauch, so I am uncertain whether she meant her father or Allen's father in regard to the name change. my cousin in Sacramento has an original form for a death record for Massachusetts. the only sections filled out are the ones required by the physician, so it gives Charles' name, date of death, place of death and his attending surgeon. it was never submitted to the vital records office. either he did not die on 3 Aug 1894, or he was buried in the back yard or dumped at sea. heaven only knows. being on the wrong side of the coast to research this man, I'm having great difficulty discovering anything. what we do know about him (beyond what I've already stated) is this; he was a mariner who worked on many ships and his position ranged from seaman to first mate. he worked on the Bark Sarah, the Schooner H. C. Sibley, the Schooner Stephen G. Loud, the Sachem, the Mercedita, and several we do not know the names of, all previous to his working on the Bark Sarah. he worked during a time when seaman's papers were made, but they were lost and are no longer available. he was m. at the Springfield Presbytarian Church in Boston, MA, whose records have, so far, eluded me. he was in a storm in early winter of 1893, and the story is that he was hit on the head by a spar and never fully recovered. he died of an aneurism to his right aorta. I have his medical records, which say he was b. in Russia, and his work records for the above named ships, which give only his name, rank, and when he was paid for his work aboard ship. his son's birth record states he was b. in Poland. family stories say he moved to England before coming to America-presumably as a child with parents and, one would hope, siblings, but careful examination of British censi have not disclosed any Anton and Thecla much less anyone with a son Charles, Karl or Josef/Jakob b. abt 1855 in Germany, Poland or Russia. they lived at 46 Fayette, Boston, in 1885. he apparently was at sea in 1886 as he is not listed in the city directory. in 1887 it appears that Annie was living at 6 Grenville Place, Boston. in 1888 or 1889 they were living at 434 Chelsea, E. Boston. in 1888 or 1889 it appears Annie was living at 6 Granville Place, Boston. in 1890 they were living at 267 Columbus Ave., Boston. in 1890 I cannot be sure if I have the right Annie. she is living at 213 Harrison Ave. in 1891 they were living back at 267 Columbus Ave. and there is also a listing for a Charles Wagner, mariner living at the rear of 61 Prince in Boston. there was a falling out between Charles and Annie, maybe more than one...in 1892, 93, and 94 they are away, unless Charles is the rigger mentioned in 1894.-story is that he couldn't get work after the accident-probably too sick to...Annie and Charles do not show up in any manner I can recognise in the 1880 MA census. unless she is one of the servants listed, and it's difficult to tell one Annie McDonald b. 1857-59 Nova Scotia from another. Charles doesn't appear at all and I have no clue where he is before 1894. can anyone help me find any of these possible clues/records that I might finally find something new on him? can you think of other records that may help? 1. burial record in Chelsea or Boston, I presume 2. marriage application from Boston, though where the records are, now? 3. tombstone in Chelsea or Boston, I would assume 4. naturalization record warning, there are at least 3 or 4 different Charles Wagner's living in Boston at the same time. one is a laborer, one is a policeman, one or two are mariners, there is a bottle washer or packer, I think the latter, and there is the rigger. many thanks for your time and help regards, Cornelia