From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Sun Jul 30 13:41:38 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6UJfcjb025051; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:41:38 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6UJfZAY003214 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:41:35 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k6UH2pFI026338 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:02:51 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k6UH2pSW026337 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:02:51 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k6UGf1FI026245 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:41:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k6UJJX80014664 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:19:33 -0600 X-Envelope-From: george@vandermerwede.org Sun Jul 30 13:19:33 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6UJJXjb014655 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:19:33 -0600 Received: from slcpx01.servnow.com (slcpx01.servnow.com [208.101.11.34]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6UJJLFM023752 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:19:22 -0600 Received: from 69-171-233-45.clspco.adelphia.net ([69.171.233.45]:33628 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by slcpx01.servnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G7Gol-0001rb-CJ for ROOTS-M@rootsweb.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44CD062A.7010408@vandermerwede.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:19:06 -0600 From: George van der Merwede User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ROOTS-M@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Coat of Arms vs Wappen References: <20060730184832.44032.qmail@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060730184832.44032.qmail@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-cPanel-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-cPanel-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-cPanel-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-cPanel-MailScanner-From: george@vandermerwede.org X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slcpx01.servnow.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - rootsweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vandermerwede.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com It should be stated that a Coat of Arms only follows the direct male line decent of the original bearer. It is not for all of a given surname since not all with the same surname are related. There is no difference between wappen or coat of arms, it is just the language. Douglas Weaver wrote: > The person Knaur seaks a family shield etc. The person states that they are of Germanic origin. This means WAPPEN is the correct name. A wappen is for the family and no restrictions on its use are in play . The family crest is on the helmet and the persons shield shows their intrest . Some cases they are both the same. In my own situation my family is Weber so the crest on the helmet is a weavers shuttle and on the shield is the stone masons tools as our knight preferred. On my wifes family wappen the helmet shows a Raven and on the shield also a Raven which I find on many Prusian wappen ( even a footbsll team) Her family name is HAUPT. In Germany cities, business clubs all have Wappen. > Douglas Weaver > > > > . > >