From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Fri Jul 14 13:11:01 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6EJB1jb003975; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:11:01 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6EJAwt2020001 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:10:58 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k6EGXCFI009832 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:33:12 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k6EGXCeW009831 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:33:12 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k6EEkhFI009568 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:46:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k6EHOJ1j003280 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:24:19 -0600 X-Envelope-From: Kith-n-Kin@cox.net Fri Jul 14 11:24:19 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k6EHOJjb003269 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:24:19 -0600 Received: from fed1rmmtai14.cox.net (fed1rmmtai14.cox.net [68.230.241.45]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6EHOFmC030384 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:24:16 -0600 Received: from TOWER ([68.0.155.47]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060714163815.IFW6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@TOWER> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:38:15 -0400 From: "Kith-n-Kin" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:38:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c6a763$ed1735c0$6601a8c0@TOWER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060714061147.02a25dc8@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by admin.rootsweb.com id k6EHOJjb003269 Subject: [ROOTS-L] RE: Cemeteries (was THIS AND THAT MISC GENEALOGY TIPS) Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com All Thanks to Shirley for the update and URL to Snopes. There is one interesting tidbit in this Snopes article, of interest to all of us who have an interest in reading tombstones, whether or not we have some emotional connection to the "earth to earth" body below them. Especially true in England, apparently. >From the article: "English common law states a grave is held only temporarily (not owned) and its use terminated "with the dissolution of the body." Grave inhabitants are granted "the right of appropriation of the soil to the body interred therein until its remains shall have so mingled with the earth as to have destroyed its identity." In other words, once you're bones, you've lost your rights. Modern cemeteries in many countries routinely rent graves for two to thirty years. At the end of that period, the bones are disinterred and reburied in accordance with that country's cemetery laws. Vancouver, BC, successfully uses a 30-year-renewable lease for its graves. In London, England, the wealthy have for many years obtained 99-year leases on their graves in prestigious cemeteries. (Graves for purchase, though, are scarce.)" I've been to churchyards in England with Norman era church buildings, and have seen the ancient to modern stones there. Not in too good order, sometimes. One has to wonder if these stones have just been moved around to accommodate newer burials? Of course, you don't "own" a plot, I suppose, in a churchyard, in the same way you would buy one from a city or private cemetery. Perhaps when we become all verklempt over the status of the "remains of our ancestors" (or their kin, I guess), we could look at some of these practices for a sense of perspective. Hmmm. We have several cases in my family where the stones, and sometimes bodies, have been moved some distance from the original burial places on the family farm. Up against a barn, on a hillside by a school, inside the perimeter of a textile plant. Mostly this is due to development of the property for other purposes. Personally, my take is that it is more important, from a family history perspective, to have a "timeline and history" of the plot of land, including where the house was, where the burial site was, when it was moved, and so on, than to go to war because someone "has desecrated my family cemetery." And, while I'm at it, if you aren't willing to put in some cash to help restore a cemetery, and/or provide sweat labor on *any* cemetery, to keep the seedlings from becoming trees which will destroy the stones in a generation, then perhaps you shouldn't be complaining to the rest of the relatives. (oh, did I just say that? Dang) Just some thoughts. Pat (in Tucson) |-----Original Message----- |From: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com |[mailto:roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Hornbeck |Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 06:18 |To: ROOTS-M@rootsweb.com |Subject: [ROOTS-L] THIS AND THAT MISC GENEALOGY TIPS | | |I was told in two e-mails I received yesterday regarding my |Interesting Historial Trivia posts that this is all a hoax that's |been circulating the Internet for some time. Who really |knows? Refer to web |page: http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/1500.htm for more |interesting trivia. Sorry about that. |