From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Tue Feb 7 08:58:49 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k17FwnE0026777; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:58:49 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17FwlUW023910 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:58:47 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k17DUMFI024987 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:30:22 -0500 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k17DUMsY024986 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:30:22 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k17DPSFI024878 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:25:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k17Frg3s019757 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:42 -0700 X-Envelope-From: Kith-n-Kin@cox.net Tue Feb 7 08:53:42 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k17FrgE0019748 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:42 -0700 Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (fed1rmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.241.35]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k17Frd3O020840 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:39 -0700 Received: from TOWER ([24.255.62.181]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060207155047.FMXU17690.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@TOWER>; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:50:47 -0500 From: "Kith-n-Kin" To: "'.... valentine53179'" , Subject: RE: [ROOTS-L] hummm critiquing a rootsweb list Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c62bfe$a51c7130$6401a8c0@TOWER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id k17FrgE0019748 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Welcome back, Valentine! Everyone who is thinking of subbing to Gen-Newbie should read this. While our previous discussion was regarding the variety of topics -- and the problems that causes, Valentine has given the other side -- the benefits! Pat (in Tucson) |-----Original Message----- |From: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com |[mailto:roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of .... valentine53179 |Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 19:10 |To: ROOTS-M@rootsweb.com |Subject: [ROOTS-L] hummm critiquing a rootsweb list | | |well, howdy guys and gals, |i havent been posting for a long time; have been reading about |the exploits pretty regularly but the one that really caught |my attention was the critique series of another Rootsweb list |ON ROOTS....i almost felt them a flame of an entire list... | |genealogy lists are ALL different... |all depends on the make up of the contributing and |participating members, all depends on the scope of the list, |and the way in which the list is administered... | |ROOTS is prescreened, and follows a strict GENEALOGY ONLY requirement |- no technical, no computer, no hand holding on list (by both |its nature of not being immediate release of the posts and by |its prescreening).... | |GEN-NEWBIE is far reaching, isnt prescreened, doesnt control |the method that a person might use to begin participation on a |list of many and is very willing to allow the kind of |conversation that makes people feel comfy in admitting that |they dont know how to do something that others do as second nature... | |Part of the difference too is the sheer volume of one vs |another....... ROOTS maximum monthly posts since 2000 was |2500.... GEN-NEWBIE in the same time was 4567! January 2006 |ROOTS was 670 posts... GEN-NEWBIE was 2253! | |In both cases, the list admins have no control over the |participants... except for the final sayso of a ROOTS prescreener, |whereby some posts sent in to ROOTS CAN be sent to oblivian. GN |admins dont prescreen but if you do flame others you will be |gone and some people do take that as a personal afront... and |will retailiate and say things to others that will put |themselves in a favorable light... | |When i saw the list of the items that were discussed or posed |to the GN list, it covered a very short period of time.. many |of which were not responded to, left alone because they |merited no additional commentary. | |What was missing was that in January postings of GEN-NEWBIE |there were over 70 HOWTOS (yes, that is were they reside now, |not on ROOTS) and another 10-20 commentaries with examples of |how to structure a google query (and that is an ongoing |illustration on how to use a search engine) and another 20-30 |guides for thisNthat in genealogy, with a bunch of posts about |how to clear your cache so that you could see what an updated |website actually shows, and commentary about why AOLers werent |geting their emails.... | |A recent discussion was about what one should and should not |do with regard to getting junk/spam mail that could contain V* |and just what a very new newbie should NOT be doing when they |get such an email... all of this is towards the goal of |protecting the genealogy work that people have prepared, saved |to their computer and which could be jeopardized if a V* were |to reach their machines... | |what was absent was the REAL, participatory involvement of |some of the folks in the direction that the GN list was going |to take in any given day.. as on the ROOTS list, if one wants |to change the direction, the easiest, quickest and more |dependable way is to make a query; form a question; ask for |help; dont suggest a topic, instead, ASK A QUESTION.... | |so |if you want to feel comfortable before you post your computer |question amongst strangers, if you want to feel comfortable |before you post your genealogy question amongst strangers if |you want to read about a LOT of material that might help you |to learn about thisNthat pertaining to genealogy and computers |without having to first EXPERIENCE IT, if you want to know |what to do when your machine is slow or dying, if you want to |learn about how to set your filters on your email to avert the |recent AOL/yahoo issue with letting emails pass thru to your |inBOX which could actually contain material that you dont want |to see or which might affect your receipt of emails on dial |up, if you want to know how to get your genealogy into a book |format, if you want to know who to make the umlaut on your |german entries, if you want to learn answers to your questions |from a lot of people who have various specialties, if you want |to know where to go and look for some obsure SOMETHING, if you |want to know where to go and look for something not so obsure, |if you want to have some relaxed list rules during holidays so |that you still have an outlet where the helpers still check in |and will take the time to help you when everyone else is |PARTYING....well, then visit gen newbie and make your own |decisions about its value to you... | |i would suggest, subbing in digest til you see what the list |is all about.. and then when you want to dive in, sub under |LIST so that you keep the postings in a nice thread and so |that the list is not saddled with the oblivious DIGEST SUBJECT! | |visit, make your own decision about a list different than |ROOTS - different but good... | |genealogy is not a "dry" lonely hobby.. it thrives on people |interaction... catch that wave, be more successful... see ya.. |valentine53179@gmail.com | |