From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Mon Feb 6 19:36:26 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k172aQE0028476; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:36:26 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172aPL9011493 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:36:26 -0700 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k17082FI015246 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:08:02 -0500 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k17082Cx015245 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:08:02 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k16NfuFI015140 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:41:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k172A9DJ015977 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:10:09 -0700 X-Envelope-From: valentine53179@gmail.com Mon Feb 6 19:10:09 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k172A9E0015966 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:10:09 -0700 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.199]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k172A83G030309 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:10:09 -0700 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so889260wxc for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:10:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fNsu1HxTQA/vspuViOTNir8ipQsuU+FmonzXSpGH1nM6OdwQrIeUJr5tdAB1Sy0CeQ4s2qG92s1LeUlnxs44sqhxw9ndeKfwoY6nS8bmtm7ReUYCjr8Cfet6n9eeZz7qDe+2Pm0wJjSP4bbgCEHSdOIlWva0D/pDZ67/3WPvJ5o= Received: by 10.11.88.16 with SMTP id l16mr73518cwb; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.120.55 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:10:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:10:09 -0600 From: ".... valentine53179" To: roots-M@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id k172A9E0015966 Subject: [ROOTS-L] hummm critiquing a rootsweb list Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com well, howdy guys and gals, i havent been posting for a long time; have been reading about the exploits pretty regularly but the one that really caught my attention was the critique series of another Rootsweb list ON ROOTS....i almost felt them a flame of an entire list... genealogy lists are ALL different... all depends on the make up of the contributing and participating members, all depends on the scope of the list, and the way in which the list is administered... ROOTS is prescreened, and follows a strict GENEALOGY ONLY requirement - no technical, no computer, no hand holding on list (by both its nature of not being immediate release of the posts and by its prescreening).... GEN-NEWBIE is far reaching, isnt prescreened, doesnt control the method that a person might use to begin participation on a list of many and is very willing to allow the kind of conversation that makes people feel comfy in admitting that they dont know how to do something that others do as second nature... Part of the difference too is the sheer volume of one vs another....... ROOTS maximum monthly posts since 2000 was 2500.... GEN-NEWBIE in the same time was 4567! January 2006 ROOTS was 670 posts... GEN-NEWBIE was 2253! In both cases, the list admins have no control over the participants... except for the final sayso of a ROOTS prescreener, whereby some posts sent in to ROOTS CAN be sent to oblivian. GN admins dont prescreen but if you do flame others you will be gone and some people do take that as a personal afront... and will retailiate and say things to others that will put themselves in a favorable light... When i saw the list of the items that were discussed or posed to the GN list, it covered a very short period of time.. many of which were not responded to, left alone because they merited no additional commentary. What was missing was that in January postings of GEN-NEWBIE there were over 70 HOWTOS (yes, that is were they reside now, not on ROOTS) and another 10-20 commentaries with examples of how to structure a google query (and that is an ongoing illustration on how to use a search engine) and another 20-30 guides for thisNthat in genealogy, with a bunch of posts about how to clear your cache so that you could see what an updated website actually shows, and commentary about why AOLers werent geting their emails.... A recent discussion was about what one should and should not do with regard to getting junk/spam mail that could contain V* and just what a very new newbie should NOT be doing when they get such an email... all of this is towards the goal of protecting the genealogy work that people have prepared, saved to their computer and which could be jeopardized if a V* were to reach their machines... what was absent was the REAL, participatory involvement of some of the folks in the direction that the GN list was going to take in any given day.. as on the ROOTS list, if one wants to change the direction, the easiest, quickest and more dependable way is to make a query; form a question; ask for help; dont suggest a topic, instead, ASK A QUESTION.... so if you want to feel comfortable before you post your computer question amongst strangers, if you want to feel comfortable before you post your genealogy question amongst strangers if you want to read about a LOT of material that might help you to learn about thisNthat pertaining to genealogy and computers without having to first EXPERIENCE IT, if you want to know what to do when your machine is slow or dying, if you want to learn about how to set your filters on your email to avert the recent AOL/yahoo issue with letting emails pass thru to your inBOX which could actually contain material that you dont want to see or which might affect your receipt of emails on dial up, if you want to know how to get your genealogy into a book format, if you want to know who to make the umlaut on your german entries, if you want to learn answers to your questions from a lot of people who have various specialties, if you want to know where to go and look for some obsure SOMETHING, if you want to know where to go and look for something not so obsure, if you want to have some relaxed list rules during holidays so that you still have an outlet where the helpers still check in and will take the time to help you when everyone else is PARTYING....well, then visit gen newbie and make your own decisions about its value to you... i would suggest, subbing in digest til you see what the list is all about.. and then when you want to dive in, sub under LIST so that you keep the postings in a nice thread and so that the list is not saddled with the oblivious DIGEST SUBJECT! visit, make your own decision about a list different than ROOTS - different but good... genealogy is not a "dry" lonely hobby.. it thrives on people interaction... catch that wave, be more successful... see ya.. valentine53179@gmail.com