From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Tue Aug 29 14:46:05 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7TKk5jb026583; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:46:05 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7TKk2Hb003482 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:46:02 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7THWLFI024048 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:32:21 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k7THWLV0024047 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:32:21 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k7TF7QFI023754 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:07:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k7THliZg003509 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:47:44 -0600 X-Envelope-From: treviawbeverly@houston.rr.com Tue Aug 29 11:47:44 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7THlijb003500 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:47:44 -0600 Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.40]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7THlar3024713 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:47:37 -0600 Received: from oemcomputer (cpe-24-162-26-136.houston.res.rr.com [24.162.26.136]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7THlZm7029208; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c6cb94$6e27d3a0$6401a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Trevia W Beverly" To: , References: <411.5fdb1080.32258596@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Immigrant ships: answer needed *** suggestions *** Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:56:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com What reference was given in Filby's for this information? Since you question if your family actually disenbarked in NY or Baltimore, where do you find them on the first census after arrival? The first federal census would be 1890 (mostly lost) so 1900 .. and they certainly could have moved by then. But what about state census records? Also suggest you check Filby & Meyers ... Immigration & Passenger Lists Index (multi-series). And you might also check the North Lloyd line ... several. The North German Lloyd line is at http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/nglloyd.html ** other lines are The Cunard Line begun by Samuel Cunard in1840 as the North American Royal Mail Steam Packet Company but always known as the Cunard Line. The White Star Line original founded around 1845, started sailing ship voyages the following year; sold to Thomas Henry ismay, 1867; sold to American financier J. Pierpont Morgan in 1902. << http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/whitestar.html >> The Red Star Line was founded as the International Navigation Company of Philadelphia in 1871; better known as the Red Star Line. In 1872, a Belgian subsidiary was formed at Antwerp and maintained a weekly service beginning 19 January 1873 between Philadelphia and Antwerp. Between 1873 and 1935 the Red Star Line shipping company transported almost three million people from Antwerp. << http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/redstar.html >> and << http://www.visitantwerpen.be/redstarlinememorial/home.html >> The Allan Line - 19th Century. Mostly carried immigrants to Canada. Began 1852 by Alexander Allen and his sons. << http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/allan.html >> Hamburg-American Line - The Hamburg America Line was the first German transatlantic steamship line, established in 1847. < http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=haaml > Bremen Lloyd Line - The North German Lloyd was founded in 1857 by the amalgamation of four smaller companies. Numerous Lloyd connections found online. Holland-American Line - 133 years. 1870 --. History, photographs, etc. online at < http://www.unofficial.net/hal/line.html > Messageries Martime (French Shipping Co.) French container transportation and shipping company, founded 1851 .. < en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMA_CGM > ** If anyone would like a copy via e-mail attachment of my 30 pg outline for the class given in July for the 10th annual Angelina College Genealogy Conference, send me an off-line request at treviawbeverly@houston.rr.com Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: [ROOTS-L] Immigrant ships: answer needed > August 29 > > Yesterday in Vol. 40 of Filby's Germans to America I learned that my > paternal Grandmother arrived in the U.S. in October , 1881 abated the WESER, North > Lloyd Ship. I have scoured every Ships list that I have been able to locate > and can't locate that ship's notation. In the course of searching I read a > comment that WESER, destined for Baltimore, often left some passengers at New > York. If that were to have been the case with my Grandmother, will the records > show her as a New York Immigrant. Then I am wasting time looking for a > Passenger List of Baltimore. > > She was Adelheide Burkhardt, arriving with Henroette and Carl. I believe > these were her mother and a brother. > > Any information will be appreciated. > > Gertrude Yager