From roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Tue Aug 22 17:05:47 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7MN5ljb011731; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:05:47 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l.rootsweb.com [66.43.16.22]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7MN5k8j008953 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:05:46 -0600 Received: from roots-l.rootsweb.com (roots-l [127.0.0.1]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k7MKPfFI013644 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:25:41 -0400 Received: (from roots-in@localhost) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id k7MKPfPB013643 for roots-approved@rootsweb.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:25:41 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.27.41]) by roots-l.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id k7MIheFI013395 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:43:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id k7MLNZDC021163 for roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:23:35 -0600 X-Envelope-From: george@vandermerwede.org Tue Aug 22 15:23:35 2006 Received: from mail.rootsweb.com (mail.rootsweb.com [192.168.65.34]) by admin.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k7MLNZjb021154 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:23:35 -0600 Received: from slcpx01.servnow.com (slcpx01.servnow.com [208.101.11.34]) by mail.rootsweb.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k7MLN3Av026304 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:23:04 -0600 Received: from 69-171-233-45.clspco.adelphia.net ([69.171.233.45]:33599 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by slcpx01.servnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GFdhv-0001VB-GS; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <44EB75A7.4020402@vandermerwede.org> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:22:47 -0600 From: George van der Merwede User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patty Jo CC: ROOTS-M@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Family Crests/Coat of Arms References: <44EB4EB1.5000300@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <44EB4EB1.5000300@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-onsmart-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-onsmart-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-onsmart-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-onsmart-MailScanner-From: george@vandermerwede.org X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slcpx01.servnow.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - rootsweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vandermerwede.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 Sender: roots-in@roots-l.rootsweb.com Hi Patty Jo, Firstly it is important to understand there is no such thing as a "Family Crest" or "Family Coat of Arms". This is a term used by commercial enterprises that know little to nothing about heraldry but will be more than happy to sell you something that may or may not belong to you, just to make a buck. What you need to do is find documented "male" line directly descended to the original arminger (the person first granted the Coat of Arms). The males in this line are the ones who have the right to the arms. In the English system it is usually only the first born male of each subsequent generation that inherits the arms. In continental Europe all males in direct linage. There are several ways to proceed. Firstly arms and who they were granted to are listed in records called armorials. Arms from the United Kingdom would be in Burke's Peerage and Gentry. Most arms in continental Europe you will find in Reitstap's Armorial. Once you know the arminger you need to trace the ancestry as you would normally in your genealogy practice. Another option, though an expensive one, is to hire an individual who does all this for you. They can be found through the College of Arms in London. Additionally you can query the folks at the American Heraldry Society at http://www.heraldrysocity.us which will often give you advice and help you at no cost. I know it sounds complicated, and it is. There are no easy roads to follow regarding heraldry. kind regards George Patty Jo wrote: > Hi.........could anyone point me to a website that has info on Spain > Family Crests and Coat of Arms that is in the English language. . > I have been looking for the "Barrial" (spanish) name. Thank You > Patty > patipie@earthlink.net > > > >